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Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#71
Audiobooks make it possible to partake of books - non-fiction as well as fiction - while doing 'dumb' work. When I built the bathroom in our house I listened to The Gulag Archipelago. This is as long book so it was a good thing that the job involved lifting one corner of the (log-built) house using 2 20-ton hydraulic jacks to replace some rotten beams, rebuilding the floor beans and more of such. Some 5 years later I listened to the same book while installing PV-panels on the roof of the barn I built the year before. I listen to them while turning hay on the tractor, while running the snow plow, etc. I tend to have a mix of netcasts and audio books on the go so I can switch between them depending on what I'm doing and what I feel like listening to - currently 'Neuromancer' next to an interview with Eylon Levy (Aron Flam's Dekonstruktiv Kritik, a Swedish netcast) and The Corruption of Stakeholder Capitalism (New Discourses netcast).

Veni, Audi, Vici

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#72

Seems we're fairly divided here between "audiobooks are for fiction" and "they work great as learning resource". How about a slight tangent / challenge: Try to give a few examples of "which" audiobooks/podcasts/lectures are in Your own personal Top 3 or so (and maybe why). My personal kickoff (I'm mostly in the fiction / "I need narrative" camp): 1. "The Poet's Corner" by John Lithgow (narrated by himself). This book…

I'm glad to hear that "Postwar" by Judt has a great audio recording, as I've read that the is book highly recommended by academic historians. This puts it next on my listening list (other books on my list about the 20th Century include "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Rhodes and "Shanghai 1937: Stalingrad on the Yangtze" by Harmsen).

I'm struggling to think of a top three list from audiobooks alone in terms of memorability and enjoyment, but I can list a few that had a measurable impact on my life.

1. "What I Talk About When I Talk About Running" by Haruki Murakami, narrated by Ray Porter (coincidentally, also the narrator for the Bobiverse book you mentioned). This was a major influence of increasing my running volume and moving on to a more intense intermediate middle-distance program, and his experiences also gave me the motivation to push through discomfort in running and certain parts of life when necessary (with the ideas that "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional," and that even world-class elite runners have days when they don't feel like training, but they go out and do so anyway).

2. "To Kill a Mockingbird" by Harper Lee, narrated by Sissy Spacek. This reading wasn't required by my school growing up, but I've wanted to read this book for several years due to its great reputation. The audiobook version helped me finally enjoy the book over a month or so. I still remember Atticus Finch's quote that "You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view [...] until you climb inside of his skin and walk around in it," and the idea helped navigate through some complicated negotiations and social situations at various times.

3. Various other classics (sneaking a bit around the limit of a top three). The audiobook version of Clarke's "2001: A Space Odyssey" was an influence that led to an increased interest with space exploration and astronomy, and readings of Huxley's "Brave New World" and Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451" helped me better appreciate the damaging effects of excessive escapism with entertainment, versus choosing efforts that require more struggle and difficulty.

I've also become more informed through listenings to Carreyrou's "Bad Blood" about the fall of Theranos, and Quinones's "Dreamland: The True Tale of America's Opiate Epidemic," though classic literature has interestingly been typically more relevant to my day-to-day life than non-fiction books so far, with the exception of certain memoirs such as Murakami's.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#74
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I can’t listen to fiction as audiobooks. I get very easily distracted in my own thoughts and, in most of fiction, if you miss anything you miss everything. While reading, that one line saying which character entered the room is enough context to understand the dialog of the next few pages. On audiobook, it’s very easy, for me, to miss that line. So I am all the time thinking of something else, miss those lines, and r…

I think some people have an ear for listening to books and others don’t. My wife is the same as you, but I can totally synchronize my mind with an audiobook and enter a flow state. I also really appreciate the task stacking the author describes it helps me stay on task with monotonous chores.

I think the most surprising thing for me is that I see/imagine the same images and have the same feelings when reading a book and when listening to that same book.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#75
I listen to a lot of audiobooks at work, and it is definitely a different experience from reading a physical book, but there is a great deal of overlap.

There’s also a limitation to the books that can be put in audio format… not sure how House of Leaves would work in audio with all the footnotes.

The best audiobook I’ve ever listened to is Andy Serkis’ Lord of the Rings that came out recently. Before that the best a reader could do is make me not think about them, but this one rose to the level of a great performance.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#76
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Conversely, does it even count if you merely read Shakespeare, rather than experiencing a performance, as intended?

It might "count," but it's not half as good. It's small wonder to me that high schoolers "hate Shakespeare" and find the works hard to understand. They weren't written to be read, but to be performed!

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#77

Listening to audiobooks is reading, end of story. Quit gatekeeping, free time to sit with a book & do nothing else concurrently is a huge luxury. FWIW, recently I've started listening to audiobooks of nonfiction books while also reading along with the physical copy. Sometimes I pause the audiobook to jot notes down in the margins. I listen at about 3x speed so this helps me go a LOT faster than I could read myself an…

I’ll gate keep a step further. Only writing the book counts. Everyone reading is only getting a fraction of the value. /s

I know you're being facetious, but there's something to this. Both reading and listening are passive. They're indistinguishable from each other, but both are quite distinguishable from writing, or reading the way you would "read" a math or physics textbook (which involves very little of the activity of scanning words on the page and very much of the activity of scribbling stuff in a notebook and then staring at it for awhile).

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#78
To answer the title's question: yes.

I listen to a lot of audiobooks, but quality and the amount of focus required varies a lot. Sometimes I put on some lightweight audiobook or podcast while playing games or doing chores. For most lightweight content I crank it up to somewhere between 2x and 3x playback speed and still follow along just fine.

Other times I'm dialed-in with an audiobook playing as I read along with the book. Most recently I've been doing this with Unsong, by Scott Alexander. The book is very engaging and detailed, so I'm fully immersed. For this book in particular it's useful to have an audiobook because I don't know how many of the references would be pronounced.

Anything more challenging or technically-focused usually requires me to physically read it in order to fully process the content.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#80

Listening to audiobooks is reading, end of story. Quit gatekeeping, free time to sit with a book & do nothing else concurrently is a huge luxury. FWIW, recently I've started listening to audiobooks of nonfiction books while also reading along with the physical copy. Sometimes I pause the audiobook to jot notes down in the margins. I listen at about 3x speed so this helps me go a LOT faster than I could read myself an…

The important part is that you're actually "listening". I used to listen to audiobooks when I commute to work and I do learn from them. Stuck at home, I play audiobooks as part of multi-tasking, and there are many times that I'm just "hearing" so it's not as effective. Still good enough to familiarize with the book and be more prepared the next time around.
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