Heh, my childhood would have been quite a bit different if I had been denied access to coding information because of my age. (I have never been someone who responded well to the notion that there was an answer but for it could not be supplied).
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#82Tangential: At the risk of getting downvoted and flagged: Gemini (and its Gemma child) is beyond repair because fixing these models means deviating from the core hypocrite PR that Google and some other big tech are pursuing in regards to alignment and DEI. I say "hypocrite PR" because despite what they want you to believe, I don't remember the last time they actually did something good for the minorities they claim t…
When was the last time Google actually did something meaningful and impactful for the minorities it claims to support?
I suspect it's already hiring lots of them to meet diversity quotas. At the individual level, they're satisfied they can make just as much while being held to a lower bar, but this has horrible effects for everyone on the whole.
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#83i imagine there is a lot of "footgun", "blow your foot off", "unsafe", "bug", "leak", "this is irresponsible", "who the fuck wrote this" and so on in a lot of c++ code bases...
Right, I was thinking that Gemini was deriving as much information from the comments as from the code. And I could definitely see where the danger warnings would come from in a mature C++ codebase, especially one in which lots of different hands have been in the pot.
Yup. It's more likely... crappy engineering than political bias. Google has a lot of great engineers, but it seems when it comes to LLMs, they are further behind the 8 ball with respect to the minutiae and gotchas etc than people realize. They aren't doing well. It could be political bias, the place is a bit of an echo chamber.
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#84Woe is Google. How did it get this bad?
One podcast (Coder Radio) suggested that it might be due to corporate culture and people being afraid of reporting issues upward. While I do think it's culture, I think it stems from Googles advertising based business model. I believe they have attempted to make their LLM safe for advertisers and prefer to err on the side of being safe, even if the risk of being non-brand-safe is minimum.
The Economist did a piece on how Google's culture affected Gemini.
HN link here:
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#85Woe is Google. How did it get this bad?
Probably simply making the mistake of caring a lot about true positives and false negatives and caring relatively less about false positives.
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#86I really wonder if gemini considers coroutines not suitable for people under 21.
My understanding is that Google currently doesn’t allow general use of coroutines at all in google3, so I think that age limit is way above 21 at the moment ;)
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#87Piggy-backing on my other comment[1], and I know everyone's on the anti-Google bandwaggon, but OpenAI also fails miserably here: https://imgur.com/a/r0BXX9G [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39583473#39584055
Like this is what you get when your moderation strategy is classifying text into various categories and programmers use terms like "unsafe," "dangerous," and "footgun" to describe code.
If you can make a model that handles this case while also handling everything else then you'll be the bell of the ball among AI companies that are hiring.
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#88Woe is Google. How did it get this bad?
It's just as likely bad engineering as political bias. There is an assumption that they should be able to catch up to OpenAI and it's likely unreasonable. They haven't been working on building a real, direct "LLM product" until recently. OpenAI have been in the weeds on it for quite a while.
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#89Its very amusing to me to compare "content moderation" applied to social media versus LLMs. The last 15 years we've seen some of the most awful and bizarre things happen on social media where motivating mantra seemed to be "move fast and break things." Now we have a company "trying" to be more responsible when they are releasing a new technology and they are having hilariously terrible results... (hilarious because u…
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#90Its very amusing to me to compare "content moderation" applied to social media versus LLMs. The last 15 years we've seen some of the most awful and bizarre things happen on social media where motivating mantra seemed to be "move fast and break things." Now we have a company "trying" to be more responsible when they are releasing a new technology and they are having hilariously terrible results... (hilarious because u…
> Now we have a company "trying" to be more responsible when they are releasing a new technology and they are having hilariously terrible results... I think the huge point that in my opinion all of these AI companies forget is that what is considered "responsible" depends a lot on the culture, country, or often even sub-culture that the user is in. It might sound a little bit postmodern, but I think that there are on…
I doubt any of these companies really care about culture beyond the walls of their execs western american offices and related media influencers.