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Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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there are plenty of other beverages that aren't alcoholic/caffeinated than just plain water

There should be a (weak) mushroom tea alternative at such events, I think.

Taking psilocybin in a corporate setting sounds like a bad time imo, even at a low dose. Plus, there's always that one guy at the office Christmas party...

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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Even in the US, in tech firms, it's pretty common to have happy hours where everyone drinks a bit. I don't drink at all due to my sleep apnea, and don't even have caffeine after 1pm for the same reason, so I'm pretty much always in this kind of awkward position of sipping on a water throughout the night while coworkers get more and more inebriated. I don't think it's ever directly hurt my chances of promotion or anyt…

there are plenty of other beverages that aren't alcoholic/caffeinated than just plain water

I avoid both coffee and refined sugar and then the list of alternatives really shrinks. Herbal tea is a good one of course, and in a bar one can often get pure apple juice.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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at one place i worked (big 6 accountants, back then) the final interview for new hires took place with the whole (small) team down the pub. no need to get drunk, or indeed to drink at all - just see how we got along. seemed to work well.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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there are plenty of other beverages that aren't alcoholic/caffeinated than just plain water

Are there really? If we ignore alcohol. We have few groups: 1) Coffee / tea (caffeinated so many cant sleep after them) 2) Yerba mate (isnt it the same group as caffeinated drinks? Also availability is low) 3) sugary drinks (cola, fanta, soda..) - basically liquid diabetes 4) juices (they are sugary again even if other type of sugar) 5) milk (nobody sells / buys milk?) 6) water with lemon So if you want to sleep, don…

If you can tolerate a very tiny amount of alcohol, bitters with soda is a great cocktail substitute. There's also "hop water" beverages that I really like that have no calories.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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there are plenty of other beverages that aren't alcoholic/caffeinated than just plain water

Strange but true: I've been to a number of professional happy hours that offered free alcohol, but didn't provide other beverages. It got to the point that I started bringing my own water bottle to networking events, just in case. I'm a big fan of providing other beverage types. Being able to sip a soda etc from the same kind of container as everyone else goes a long way towards blending in.

>Strange but true: I've been to a number of professional happy hours that offered free alcohol, but didn't provide other beverages.

Failing to provide non-alcoholic drinks would be a faux pas even in Germany. It is indeed strange. I'd go as far as calling it worse than college-party-level planning.

Is nobody expected to drive home after the event?

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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there are plenty of other beverages that aren't alcoholic/caffeinated than just plain water

Are there really? If we ignore alcohol. We have few groups: 1) Coffee / tea (caffeinated so many cant sleep after them) 2) Yerba mate (isnt it the same group as caffeinated drinks? Also availability is low) 3) sugary drinks (cola, fanta, soda..) - basically liquid diabetes 4) juices (they are sugary again even if other type of sugar) 5) milk (nobody sells / buys milk?) 6) water with lemon So if you want to sleep, don…

Herbal tea is good (but good luck ordering that in a bar!). And personally, pure fruit juices are fine for me.

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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In its extreme alcohol is a truth serum. The ones who don't drink want to keep their secrets to themselves and can't be trusted.

By that logic, the ones who don't drink should be handed the most secretive, important projects.

If you read about GRU (e.g. Aquarium) you will see how agents were tested while drunk to see how they behave.

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> I don't see how speaking your mind is confrontational or at odds with "collective harmony". Intention is all that matters in my opinion. Even in Western cultures, if you try saying something at odds with the "room" or the current bandwagon, like here on HN for example, you will feel the frowns coming your way.

Meh, different life experiences then. I've never had any trouble with it. Then again I could be autistic and haven't noticed / cared. In a business setting, the room should bend to facts, not group-think.

> In a business setting, the room should bend to facts, not group-think.

It should, sometimes, but ...

Different people often have different beliefs about the facts.

Sometimes there are higher priorities than the facts of the immediate issue.

And most of all, in reality it doesn't work that way. Someone who acts as if it does is as incompetent as a developer who insists there's no such thing as platform constraints. We're dealing with humans, which includes all the constructs of human nature, culture, and personality.

Your 'facts' may threaten someone's job, for example, or the CEO's reputation; do you expect they'll just go along with that?

Re: Why do east Asian firms value drinking?

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In its extreme alcohol is a truth serum. The ones who don't drink want to keep their secrets to themselves and can't be trusted.

The truth gets downvoted, since unpopular.

As if you never saw someone get drunk and spill their beans.

Alcohol removes inhibitors (at least to some people) from "drunk calling the ex" to "telling the boss that their idea is stupid".

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