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Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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I recorded a video of another e ink phone running many common Android apps really well (in direct sunlight)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvO9ScTdwz8 It's the Hisense A9 with a beautiful and fast Carta 1200 e ink display. It's very capable, I would have preferred a phone more like that instead. It's biggest drawback is terrible USA cell reception. This company was initially going to make a phone like this but appa…

That looks fantastic, thank you for sharing.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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This is a big part of the reason I carry a flip phone. Instead of explaining that your "otherwise smartphone looking thing" can't run Apple or Android apps, I just have to whip out the flip phone, flip it open, flip it closed, and say "Sorry, my phone doesn't have apps." ... even though it's running Android 11 Go and I can sideload stuff, it doesn't matter because the number of apps that work on a 320x240 screen with…

Yup, that works too. Not a bad idea! By the way, the dimmers are working great. And I finally found BR30s that don't sing. It's amazing to me how many of them do. Have you tried Syncthing yet?

Glad to hear it! The singing bulbs are a new, and quite unwelcome, development. It seems to relate to the number of filament supports.

I've not messed with Syncthing - I've been more trying to drive my life offline and spend less time messing with computers. I had a very "Work on computers to maintain the computers I find less-objectionable to use the internet a little" sort of circle going, and I decided to break out of it. So I'm x86/Qubes for now, and it's honestly a lot less work than the ARM stuff I was doing before.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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Sharing a "Buyer beware" message from /r/eink on minimal phone: https://www.reddit.com/r/eink/comments/1b35fuz/please_exerci...

(I started and curate /r/ergomobilecomputers, /u/magictheblathering is a familiar username)

See also this comment with more links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39576514

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

#155

The problem with eink phones is that they're largely unsupported / using some OS that I don't trust. I tried using my phone in grayscale mode for a while, but the complete lack of colours makes it difficult to use. I'm working on making a "desaturated" mode that changes the android renderer to not go fully grayscale, but only a little, so there's still some colour information.

I would guess that a phone designed with an eink display will have visual design and UX that is more thoughtfully designed for greyscale than iOS or Android. I was always taught that a design should be done first in greyscale to make sure that it works well using only alignment, hirearchy, balance etc, then you add colour; I still see that done frequently in print design, but less so in the digital world for whatever…

that is an interesting point; i didn't know that (about design in grayscale).

the issue with "apps are designed with e-ink UX in mind" -- how many stock apps do you actually use? where the manufacturer has control over how it's implemented?

Usually the apps that are used frequently are apps that are designed for big colourful phones. That's why i want to experiment with a "deglossed" or slightly desaturated version.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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I recorded a video of another e ink phone running many common Android apps really well (in direct sunlight)! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvO9ScTdwz8 It's the Hisense A9 with a beautiful and fast Carta 1200 e ink display. It's very capable, I would have preferred a phone more like that instead. It's biggest drawback is terrible USA cell reception. This company was initially going to make a phone like this but appa…

Thanks for this. I've been thinking about pulling my phone use right back. I was really wanting to use the Light Phone, as I like how small and minimal it is. The only problem is it doesn't run Telegram/Whatsapp which is kind of essential these days. This phone looks like it would be exactly what I'm after. How do you rate it overall? Ideally I'd like something half way in between this and the Light Phone - small, st…

I uploaded a quick camera test, let me know what you think.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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It’s not a great camera. Worse than my iPhone 8. Maybe somewhere around my iPhone 4 or 5S quality. So it's usable. I can upload a video later.

Yes, I would love to see, thank you. GSMArena does not have the phone.

I uploaded a quick camera test, let me know what you think.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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> Can I use apps on Minimal? > Yes, Minimal runs on Android, allowing you to download and use essential apps. However, the e-ink display and device optimization are geared towards minimizing unnecessary distractions. That answers the only question I had about this. You still get full access to every app you need, it just increases the friction (via the low refresh rate and the lack of colors) so you can't doomscroll.…

> Entertainment will be kept simple as well, "focusing on relaxation and mindfulness." The handset will feature Wi-Fi and Bluetooth , with 5G currently being explored,

Ah. I didn't see it on the kickstarter/gofundme page with the specifications. Back on my wishlist then :)

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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I've been experimenting with greyscale on my Android phone, it is nowhere near the comfort level of real E-Ink.

Yeah I don’t disagree. But on the whole I think it gets you a long way towards it without the cons of having two devices for example.

Alright, I just spent the entire day on greyscale yesterday to check.

I think that I suffered more eyestrain than usual, mostly because I could not tell icons and other UI elements apart. Yet I don't have this issue on the E-Ink device, interestingly, even though I use many of the same apps e.g. Telegram.

I would say that the difference is due to the reflective vs radiative screen, not the greyscale palette.

Re: Minimal phone gets back to basics with E Ink display and real keyboard

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Yeah I don’t disagree. But on the whole I think it gets you a long way towards it without the cons of having two devices for example.

Alright, I just spent the entire day on greyscale yesterday to check. I think that I suffered more eyestrain than usual, mostly because I could not tell icons and other UI elements apart. Yet I don't have this issue on the E-Ink device, interestingly, even though I use many of the same apps e.g. Telegram. I would say that the difference is due to the reflective vs radiative screen, not the greyscale palette.

Maybe it's a mismatch in requirements. For me, I move it into greyscale to give my monkey brain less reason to want to play with it. The intention when it's enabled is that if I need to set a timer or jot down a note that I don't get sucked into the device. When I'm done in a deep work mode, I switch it back to normal screen.

So for me, the whole point is I won't be using it enough to notice eye strain or something like that. If I'm messaging or doing something the device is designed for, it's a benefit for me to be able to have it in full fidelity.

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