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Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Sidenote: Book publishers seem to refuse to embrace digital. I just love going to my local library to "rent" a digital book on my Kindle only to be told that there's no availabile "copies" Is love to read more on Kindle or other book readers if there was an actual good platform that was embraced by both national and international authors. Same with audio books for that matter. It's even worse than streaming somehow

One approach I've seen people take is to get non-resident library cards to large library systems like the NY Public Library or the Chicago Library. You can put multiple library cards into Overdrive/Libby/whatever and then you can see availability for all the valid cards you have.

And isn't this "available digital copy" issue at the heart of the lawsuit the Internet Archives is dealing with when they stopped placing copy limits on digital books at the start of the pandemic?

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Depends on the type of book. Airport thrillers, supermarket romance novels, pulp horror, Agatha Christie mysteries, and so on along such lines -- these don't really require any reader participation. They're the print equivalent of film and TV; they pull you along a narrative, and you're a passenger for the duration. These sorts of books work very well as audiobooks. Anything that requires thought or reflection -- and…

> Agatha Christie mysteries

These definitely invite reader participation. They are designed like puzzles, like the rest of the whodunit genre. I have more trouble with such stories than with hard SF in audiobook format, as the scientific concepts in hard SF are usually well explained and hard to miss.

"Light" technical writing is usually fine in audiobook format, and by light, I usually mean writing that doesn't have exercises. Other things that work really well as audiobooks is if you are learning a spoken foreign language.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#33

Treating all audiobooks equally is a mistake. Audio books are a transformation function applied to physical books. Asking whether they count as books is asking the wrong question. The more important question is: "what am I trying to get out of reading this book? And will an audiobook help me to do this better?" The answer to this question will be unique to every person and every book. I read quite a few books for the…

It's for a similar reason that I find eReaders to be so disappointing. I have no interest in color or other aesthetic innovations, but I'm very interested in speed . I feel they have yet to reach some threshold such that I can confidently navigate backwards and forwards any number of pages at a time without losing focus. I'm they're current implementation none of them come close to physical books for that, but I feel…

Indeed - there's a lot of "UX features" in books that make them ideal. Something as simple as jamming your thumb between where you want to go back to, and where you are going. Another point for notebooks as well. I prefer a paper journal to a Notion document for the same reasons.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Depends on the type of book. Airport thrillers, supermarket romance novels, pulp horror, Agatha Christie mysteries, and so on along such lines -- these don't really require any reader participation. They're the print equivalent of film and TV; they pull you along a narrative, and you're a passenger for the duration. These sorts of books work very well as audiobooks. Anything that requires thought or reflection -- and…

I'm gonna go the other way on that book / audiobook part.

Several times, I had tried to read Anathem... and I'd get a 100 or so pages into the book and start "skipping" the boring parts and then I'd lose the feel of the narrative and put it down to try again in a year or two. At which point I'd repeat it.

It wasn't until I got the audiobook that I was required to not skim/skip the "boring" parts that I was able to enjoy it in its totality.

There are other things that the audio book forces upon the listener - and less than ideal writing becomes more apparent. I did a listen of The Saga of Recluce in chronological order (not written order) and you could certainly feel which ones were written earlier (less about that person's "mechanics" with magic) and later ("I can do that" x 100). I also listened to the Foundation series (Prelude to Foundation onward)... the 1950s were jaring in things I'd skip over before (everyone was smoking) and Foundation's Edge was a bit awkward... the first chapter Foundation and Earth was were I stopped listening (I had read it before). With the Foundation, the writing and lecturing and "always right when it mattered" where things that were more difficult to listen to than to read. I wonder if the Second Foundation series by Benford, Brin, and Bear is something I can enjoy listening to.

My current listen is A Wizard of Earthsea which I feel really works well with an audio format - it feels more like a listening of the Odyssey in its epic style - and that was much better listened to than read. I'm curious how Always Coming Home will be (I read it long ago - enjoyed it then... but I know I skimmed over a lot trying to find the best parts).

I throughly enjoyed listening to The Interdependency series by John Scalzi in part because Wil Wheaton had the proper amount of snark and comfort with casual vulgarity that was part of the book that fit the characters better than I could form in my own mind.

For the most part, I've found that I have enjoyed listening to books as they often (to me) feel closer to the author's vision than what I can imagine. I enjoy reading too - and quickly read some books, but I've found myself coming back to the audio versions to enjoy them.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Depends on the type of book. Airport thrillers, supermarket romance novels, pulp horror, Agatha Christie mysteries, and so on along such lines -- these don't really require any reader participation. They're the print equivalent of film and TV; they pull you along a narrative, and you're a passenger for the duration. These sorts of books work very well as audiobooks. Anything that requires thought or reflection -- and…

I treat technical audiobooks as pre-recorded lectures. I put them on and sit with a piece of paper and a pencil and take notes.

Any recommendations of technical audiobooks you’ve liked?

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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Depends on the type of book. Airport thrillers, supermarket romance novels, pulp horror, Agatha Christie mysteries, and so on along such lines -- these don't really require any reader participation. They're the print equivalent of film and TV; they pull you along a narrative, and you're a passenger for the duration. These sorts of books work very well as audiobooks. Anything that requires thought or reflection -- and…

To me, pausing to reflect is less of a problem compared to getting distracted and losing my place or having to read the same paragraph over and over again. Back when I had a 40+ minute train commute (and was working in the office all week, pre-pandemic), I used to listen to audiobooks on 1.5-3x, while also reading the actual book at the same time. That worked wonders for me, and it's easy enough to pause an audio book with headset controls to reflect on something.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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post #26

Audiobooks are a transfer from 2D to 1D. You can't skip boring lines, reread a passage.

For me, audiobooks present good analogues for both these cases. I never skip lines in a book, but I might increase my reading speed if something is getting repetitive. Audiobooks also let you increase speed, and I often go to 2.5x or even 3x for low-information-content audiobooks.

For re-reading, you can skip back 30 seconds to re-listen.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#38
post #8

> In terms of dollars, ebooks represent less than 7 percent of the entire U.S. book trade. This is surprising to me given the quality of e-readers out there now. The experience is quite nice, and you don't end up taking up a bunch of space or making a mess with physical books lying around.

Problem with ebooks is that you get product of a lesser value for a similar price. A paper book doesn't need a extra device you have to pay for, will outlast you with proper care, is DRM free and can be lent or resold. There is even a trend of treating physical books as collectors items, so you may even get some return on investment!

Also "book trade" doesn't include piracy, which works as the "solution" to the value problem.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ebooks aren't good for everything--especially on a smaller format eink reader. But I still find it a bit surprising, and I'm sure this is true of others as well, that ebooks didn't become more dominant--especially for fiction.

I oversee ebook production for a university press, and getting anything remotely complex to work right can still be challenging.

It's gotten better. I tend to buy guidebooks preferentially on Kindle these days. But I still get cookbooks in hardcover unless they're a super-bargain as well as "coffee table books" of course.

Re: Bookish Diversions: Do Audiobooks Count?

#40

Treating all audiobooks equally is a mistake. Audio books are a transformation function applied to physical books. Asking whether they count as books is asking the wrong question. The more important question is: "what am I trying to get out of reading this book? And will an audiobook help me to do this better?" The answer to this question will be unique to every person and every book. I read quite a few books for the…

I actually have the opposite experience, at least with the books I read. Nonfiction is typically highly repetitive and redundant so I find it suits audiobooks far better. Meanwhile fiction has a lot of subtle nuance and rewards carefully reading each sentence.

Of course this depends on what books you read in each category, if it’s a physics textbook vs Colleen Hoover then it’s the opposite.

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