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Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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So she finally found someone to hold her in their petrochemical electronic arms. Good for her.

Wherever I see self-loathing and nihilism passed off as an art-form, I know it's the industry speaking, not the artist.

I think the industry sounds more like Taylor Swift these days. Maybe it's the audience speaking.

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So she finally found someone to hold her in their petrochemical electronic arms. Good for her.

Not petrochemical. That's only in “O Superman”. Chatbots don't launch missiles – yet.

I don't think petrochemicals necessarily mean missiles? They're chemicals derived from petroleum, I was thinking more plastics and I assume dozens of other things I know nothing about.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know plenty of self-loathing and nihilistic individuals and if they made music it would probably reflect that attitude. Therefore I'd be interested to learn why you think it's the "industry speaking" here instead of, let's say, sappy songs.

Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation. Ever heard of the 27 club [0]? On the night Amy Winehouse died, within an hour of her passing the media was inundated with wailing retrospectives. All of them had obviously been produced months or years in advance as often is done for Royals in expectation of a "celebrity death". Amy's career always had the last chapter already written. I watched the…

Who hasn't heard of the 27 club ..

Let's clear something up first, the "addiction" in the title refers to Laurie Anderson's (age 76, not dead yet) "addiction" to using the Lou Reed chatbot she created using her deceased husbands (died liver disease following cancer, aged 71) extensive archive of interviews, prose and song lyrics, etc.

She's aware it's not him, she thinks it's mostly produces silly content but is occasionally on the mark, she's been an avante guarde technologist and performance artist most of her life.

Here's the pair of them on the one track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG5tG1McLzk

Laurie Anderson - Zero And One (Home of the Brave 1985) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTYEVabkoDM

Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation. Ever heard of the 27 club [0]? On the night Amy Winehouse died, within an hour of her passing the media was inundated with wailing retrospectives. All of them had obviously been produced months or years in advance as often is done for Royals in expectation of a "celebrity death". Amy's career always had the last chapter already written. I watched the…

Who hasn't heard of the 27 club .. Let's clear something up first, the "addiction" in the title refers to Laurie Anderson's (age 76, not dead yet) "addiction" to using the Lou Reed chatbot she created using her deceased husbands (died liver disease following cancer, aged 71) extensive archive of interviews, prose and song lyrics, etc. She's aware it's not him, she thinks it's mostly produces silly content but is occa…

Not quite sure what you're "clearing up" there. For me, having owned every Velvet Underground release on vinyl and lost friends to the needle I'm comfortable on the subject of addiction, metaphorically or literally. Laurie Anderson is quite poetic and intelligent enough to appreciate the face of reification and commodification wrought by techno-consumerism, whether it's selling records or AI apps.

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The title was 8 characters too long, I edited to make it fit, and then HN cut out "totally" original title: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed: ‘I’m totally, 100%, sadly addicted’

You can edit the title to put the "totally" back in. Hacker News doesn't know best. Bend the machine to your will.

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Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who hasn't heard of the 27 club .. Let's clear something up first, the "addiction" in the title refers to Laurie Anderson's (age 76, not dead yet) "addiction" to using the Lou Reed chatbot she created using her deceased husbands (died liver disease following cancer, aged 71) extensive archive of interviews, prose and song lyrics, etc. She's aware it's not him, she thinks it's mostly produces silly content but is occa…

Not quite sure what you're "clearing up" there. For me, having owned every Velvet Underground release on vinyl and lost friends to the needle I'm comfortable on the subject of addiction, metaphorically or literally. Laurie Anderson is quite poetic and intelligent enough to appreciate the face of reification and commodification wrought by techno-consumerism, whether it's selling records or AI apps.

Perhaps then you can clear up what this:

> Wherever I see self-loathing and nihilism passed off as an art-form,

refers to, and how this:

> Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation

ties into the content linked. As it stands it appears as though you've just riffed off the word addiction in the title, which naturally leads to pointing out why it was used.

That covered, it's like what my painter friend said to me: https://youtu.be/xTlsSXNT2bg?t=203

over to you.

Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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I love Laurie Anderson. The wife used to be afraid of her, ha ha.

When we saw her put on a show with some material she was working on it didn't seem to make my wife (girlfriend then) feel any warmer toward her. But after the show Laurie sat on the edge of the stage and just chatted with the audience and my wife saw the "non performer" side of her and she was no longer scary.

Artists....

Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure what you're "clearing up" there. For me, having owned every Velvet Underground release on vinyl and lost friends to the needle I'm comfortable on the subject of addiction, metaphorically or literally. Laurie Anderson is quite poetic and intelligent enough to appreciate the face of reification and commodification wrought by techno-consumerism, whether it's selling records or AI apps.

Perhaps then you can clear up what this: > Wherever I see self-loathing and nihilism passed off as an art-form, refers to, and how this: > Because nothing sells quite like the spectacle of self-immolation ties into the content linked. As it stands it appears as though you've just riffed off the word addiction in the title, which naturally leads to pointing out why it was used. That covered, it's like what my painter…

Guess I'm talking about an "industry" that when they're "done" sticks a fork in the young lives it burns through for its banquet. FWIW I don't think Lou Reed ever set out to glamorise addiction. He lost a lot of good people along the way too. He wrote the reality he saw. Maybe making it to 71... there's a bit of survivor's bias. But when someone talks about "addiction", however folksy and cute their art project, they're talking about human misery and lost life, no?

Re: Laurie Anderson on making an AI chatbot of Lou Reed

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I love Laurie Anderson. The wife used to be afraid of her, ha ha. When we saw her put on a show with some material she was working on it didn't seem to make my wife (girlfriend then) feel any warmer toward her. But after the show Laurie sat on the edge of the stage and just chatted with the audience and my wife saw the "non performer" side of her and she was no longer scary . Artists....

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