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Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by nerdponx »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #44
defrost wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an interesting control system feedback complaint with a lot to it; * historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods excessively and being absent elsewhere .. take this all the way back in time to Tulsa and before. * Subsequently there's been a lot of "black crime" as neighbourhoods have been destroyed by occasional mobs (Tulsa), frequent division…

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Their statement about observed crime was an historical claim (as in: "historically there's been a lot of ...").

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

defrost wrote: post #30
delichon wrote: post #7

> It's not perfect, but the distance from your house to a ShotSpotter sensor correlates fairly well with your household income. The wealthier you are, the less surveilled you are. To give ABQ police the benefit of the doubt, that pattern could also be compatible with more gun crime equaling more surveillance. It would be nice to have enough gun crime and sensor location data to see how true that is. When the sensors…

There's an interesting control system feedback complaint with a lot to it; * historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods excessively and being absent elsewhere .. take this all the way back in time to Tulsa and before. * Subsequently there's been a lot of "black crime" as neighbourhoods have been destroyed by occasional mobs (Tulsa), frequent division…

> historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods

You can control for this by just looking at homicides. Dead bodies are pretty objective. And the homicides also follow the same trend as the general crime rate.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by nerdponx »

itishappy wrote: post #43

What are the potential downsides to police oversight? > But, if asked, they provide a form letter written by ShotSpotter. Their contract prohibits the disclosure of any actual data. A potentially dystopian surveillance apparatus is installed citywide, and the police can't discuss about it's efficiency because the company that sold it to them won't let them?

Some bumbling police chief might say something stupid that would draw media attention to ShotSpotter and their massive data collection operation. You definitely wouldn't want that to happen.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by sneak »

bastawhiz wrote: post #35
fasthands9 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious if the author lives in the wealthier or non wealthy region. I do not own a gun. I currently live in a city and would be happy to learn they were installing shot spotter near me. It's maybe the least intrusive type of surveillance there is. It just says a signal if there is a loud noise in public. edit: previous statement not correct but leaving it up as it's been responded to

> It just says a signal if there is a loud noise in public. This is probably false. There have been two convictions as a result of recordings of conversations that happened through the devices. I, for one, do not want microphones capable of recording my conversations placed near me by the government. Not because I'm paranoid the government is conspiring against me, but rather because I have zero confidence they're st…

“paranoid” is a symptom of a disease involving delusions (ie false beliefs) and is not a synonym for “anxious about”.

It’s also not paranoia if the government does actively conspire to imprison as many people as possible on flimsy evidence.

Both possible usages are incorrect here.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by hattmall »

defrost wrote: post #30
delichon wrote: post #7

> It's not perfect, but the distance from your house to a ShotSpotter sensor correlates fairly well with your household income. The wealthier you are, the less surveilled you are. To give ABQ police the benefit of the doubt, that pattern could also be compatible with more gun crime equaling more surveillance. It would be nice to have enough gun crime and sensor location data to see how true that is. When the sensors…

There's an interesting control system feedback complaint with a lot to it; * historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods excessively and being absent elsewhere .. take this all the way back in time to Tulsa and before. * Subsequently there's been a lot of "black crime" as neighbourhoods have been destroyed by occasional mobs (Tulsa), frequent division…

Ah yes so it's police presence that makes crime the number one cause of death for young black males.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by torstenvl »

defrost wrote: post #30
delichon wrote: post #7

> It's not perfect, but the distance from your house to a ShotSpotter sensor correlates fairly well with your household income. The wealthier you are, the less surveilled you are. To give ABQ police the benefit of the doubt, that pattern could also be compatible with more gun crime equaling more surveillance. It would be nice to have enough gun crime and sensor location data to see how true that is. When the sensors…

There's an interesting control system feedback complaint with a lot to it; * historically there's been a lot of "black crime" in the US due to the US police watching black neighbourhoods excessively and being absent elsewhere .. take this all the way back in time to Tulsa and before. * Subsequently there's been a lot of "black crime" as neighbourhoods have been destroyed by occasional mobs (Tulsa), frequent division…

Please don't engage in ideological warfare, it's boring and against site guidelines.

No reasonable person could look at any meaningful measure of violent crime rates and come to your conclusions.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by Vaslo »

One thing missed in this writing is that shotspotter also saves lives. In my city, people shot in the alley and left for dead are found shortly after they are shot because of the detection.

Without this tech, some would be left to a slow death in an alley where no one would find them until morning.

Re: ShotSpotter: listening in on the neighborhood

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Post by sixothree »

incanus77 wrote: post #54

Timely, as a boy was shot at last week in Chicago while setting off fireworks that triggered a ShotSpotter alert: https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2024/02/27/chicago-police...

This is entirely grotesque. But the systematic deception is especially appalling.
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