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The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

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Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

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So when I think “every important thing in my life is scarce”, that is just incorrect imagination? 11 billion people can live on a lake with perfect child and health care?

The article seems to define scarcity as a very basic existence. Most would call it abject poverty.

Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

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I prefer the Forward to the UNEP 2024 Global Resources Outlook (181 pages): Natural resources are the basis on which all economies and societies are built, making their sustainable management critical to ending poverty and reducing inequalities. They are also essential to drive the transition to net-zero. To stay below a 2°C temperature rise by 2050, we will need over three billion tonnes of energy transition mineral…

Extreme taxes on luxury physical goods? How can these goals be reached?

Short of a global scale revolution every bit as bloody as the French or Communist revolutions, they can't be reached. Consider, you're talking about eliminating the bulk of luxury/prestige consumption. This threatens the fortunes of most if not all of the richest individuals and organizations on the planet. History has made pretty plain what happens when you make the money sad and don't have armed contingencies in place to deal with the inevitable backlash.

Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

#33

So when I think “every important thing in my life is scarce”, that is just incorrect imagination? 11 billion people can live on a lake with perfect child and health care?

Living on a lake is a prestige goal, not a requirement for existence. There is no meaningful scarcity at tier 1 of Maslow's hierarchy.

I don't see a point in striving for a society where most of the population is only meeting tier 1 needs. That's a human chicken farm, not a civilization.

Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the right circumstances, birth control happens automatically. As people get more wealthy, there seems to be less incentive to have lots of children. Perhaps due to better healthcare (less deaths in childbirth) and more securities for old age (eg. pensions). Seems Africa is at the moment the only continent that still has population growth (and quite massive). https://www.statista.com/statistics/272789/world-populat…

Disagree, wealthy countries are labor resource constrained so the cost of child care balloons compared to wages. And I predict that as the cost of labor goes up, people will want to have more kids again because it will be profitable, not unlike subsistence farmers wanting kids to work on the farm.

Childcare has the problem of not getting more productive as other areas do get more productive, increasing the cost as wages go up.

Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

#37
post #15

At some point in population growth you run out of land to grow food on. Surely, there are limits?

Look up the "Simon–Ehrlich wager" - essentially a economist and naturalist held a very public bet about whether certain critical resources would dramatically rise on price due to scarcity constraints. Essentially the economist, who bet that we would not see those prices spike as market forces drive resource efficiency. In the case of this wager the economist was correct.

Ultimately you are right. We will ultimately and inevitably face resource constraints. How we respond and which resources will provide the limiting constraint is unclear.

Re: The Myth of Scarcity and Its Threats to Human Society [pdf] (2023)

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post #15

At some point in population growth you run out of land to grow food on. Surely, there are limits?

> I say, that the power of population is indefinitely greater than the power in the earth to produce subsistence for man. Population, when unchecked, increases in a geometrical ratio. Subsistence increases only in an arithmetical ratio. A slight acquaintance with numbers will show the immensity of the first power in comparison of the second. By the law of our nature which makes food necessary to the life of man, the effects of these two unequal powers must be kept equal. This implies a strong and constantly operating check on population from the difficulty of subsistence. This difficulty must fall somewhere and must necessarily be severely felt by a large portion of mankind. -Thomas Malthus An Essay on the Principle of Population [1798]

> The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate. -Paul Ehrlich The Population Bomb [1968]

Of course there's a limit. What that limit is no one knows and most predictions will be wrong. Some day someone may be right in their prediction given the right conditions.

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