Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

Post by theptip » Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 3:18 AM UTC

thayne wrote: post #853

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It says "will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable" they have open sourced a number of things, Whisper most notably. Nothing about that is a promise to open source everything and they just need to say it wasn't applicable for ChatGPT or DallE because of safety.

I think that position would be a lot more defensible if they weren't giving another for-profit company access to it. And there is definitely a conflict of interest when not revealing the source gives them a competitive advantage in selling their product. There's also the question of if the source is too dangerous to make public, how can they be sure the final product is safe? An argument could be made it isn't safe.

Post by dougb5 » Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 3:22 AM UTC

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Genuinely curious why I'm getting downvoted - similar comments don't appear to have met the same fate, and I'm by no means defending Altman or OpenAI. If it's because I mentioned that Altman is gay - and I can't find another reason - I think that's relevant in context of Musk's recent hard shift rightward and his consistently aggressive, unprovoked behavior toward LGBTQ people. For some reason the topic looms large i…

It seems like he's talked a lot about the T in LGBTQ, not so much the G? Evidence that he would be especially incensed at getting beat by a gay guy seems thin on the ground unless we insist on treating LGBTQ as a bloc. (I don't exactly keep up with Musk's doings, though.)

Post by threeseed » Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 3:43 AM UTC

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I’d offer that Musk hasnt shown any consistent principle motivating his behavior other than gathering power, in the face of stated motivations. So while he may genuinely believe what he is saying, the inherent philosophical conflicts in his consistent narcissistic actions, have poisoned any other possible position to such an extent that he has lost all moral credibility Revealed preferences never lie

He seems to broadly pursue projects he considers helpful to humanity like sustainable energy, the multiplanetary thing and setting up OpenAI. You can interpret people's motivations in different ways but it doesn't look like just power gathering to me. I mean if he was that power hungry you'd expect him to try to monopolize AI for himself rather than make it open.

Post by xcv123 » Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 3:56 AM UTC

atleastoptimal wrote: post #848

Sour grapes. This is a power move. Elon wants to be the sole savior of humanity who just so happens to have more power than anyone in history. No coincidence this came out soon after OpenAI announced its partnership with Figure, making them a direct competitor to Tesla Optimus + Xai.

Post by lumost » Sat, Mar 02, 2024, 4:05 AM UTC

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I might be too generous, but my interpretation is that the ground changed so fast that they needed to shift to continue the mission given the new reality. After ChatGPT, every for-profit and its dog is going hard. Talent can join the only Mother Teresa in the middle, or compete with them as they stupidly open all the source the second they discover anything. You can’t compete with the biggest labs in the world who ha…

Unless the charter leaves room for such a drastic pivot, I'm not sure how well this would hold up. Whether the original charter is binding is up for lawyers to debate, but as written it seems to spell out the mission clearly and with little wiggle room for interpretation. Maybe they could go after the definition of when open sourcing would benefit the public?