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Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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What are you talking about, NYC is great! You could live your whole life there and never run out of things to do.

> never run out of things to do. Unless the thing is "afford housing"

Well that's why we do these high-paying tech jobs.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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What are you talking about, NYC is great! You could live your whole life there and never run out of things to do.

>You could live your whole life there and never run out of things to do. Look, I know I'm being pedantic here, but as a rural nerd, I just gotta say that this is true of literally any habitable location on the planet if you decide to no-life the right hobby or hobbies.

Yeah, but you don't have to "no-life the right hobbies" to be satisfied in NYC because there's SO MUCH to do. You can just be a normal person who isn't hyper obsessed with one particular hobby.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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post #445

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What are you talking about, NYC is great! You could live your whole life there and never run out of things to do.

You mean besides drinking and dining and spending outrageous amounts of money on 13$ beer and overpriced bland food? As a european I dont like the city at all. The only thing going for it is the vibe and the energy of the people. If it werent for the high salaries, people wouldnt be moving here. It needs serious clean up, from the mentally-sick homeless domesticating the subway, to the stench and the rats, from the g…

NYC is way better than Barcelona, sorry. Let me know when y'all can figure out how to make sidewalks that you can walk straight along to your destination, rather than having to go diagonally along a big asphalt parking lot at every single intersection.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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post #965

To be honest, I'm not sure what Apple could've brought to the table in regards to making an electric car. Apple's hardware design philosophies[1] don't really align with what consumers want in a car. Apple being less minimalistic than a Tesla — which is already at an extreme — is a hard sell. [1] Examples of what I mean: - Cars use faux materials all the time for cost and weight purposes, or even just looks (i.e. fak…

> I'm not sure what Apple could've brought to the table in regards to making an electric car. At this point Apple dont need to make any thing special in order for it to sell. Lv4 / Lv5 AVs ( autonomous vehicles ) is basically lots of computer on a battery moving around. The key problem here is Lv 5 AV, as we should have all learned in 2024 it doesn't exists. Not even close. All the promise about we would be there in…

Another big untapped thing in the autonomous vehicle space is having a strong remote teleop game— basically when you hit roadwork or snow or whatever other unforeseen condition, an operator elsewhere can seamlessly take over, either in full (literally driving your car) or in part ("choose that lane, avoid that obstacle").

Starsky Robotics understood this but AFAICT the lesson hasn't really sunk in across the industry; the big money is still chasing a mythical computer-only Lv5 solution.

Anyway, I don't think Apple would be the right company to pull off that kind of thing either, all of which is to further reinforce that trying to make an electric, autonomous car was always an odd choice for them.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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So strange to see this Reddit meme make its way to HN. The median American absolutely isn't struggling for food, lmfao.

Coincidence, I'm afraid; I am not familiar with such a meme. Merely observing that the median American has a household income only about 75% that of the average American, and therefore spends proportionally more of the household budget on groceries, thus feeling the 25% increase in grocery prices over the last four years rather more keenly. Whether that constitutes "struggle" seems like it must be a personal judgemen…

Noticing a price increase isn't "struggling." The median American could double their food budget and would be just fine.

Your analysis is all wonky. The % of average income and % increase in food price is completely irrelevant - food is a fixed cost and the median American has many times the cost of food left over in disposable income.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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https://www.youtube.com/@ycombinator/videos

Most recent episode? Tangentially, it's funny to me that people link to YouTube for podcasts these days.

It was at the time of the comment the most recent video on the YouTube channel - "Apple Vision Pro: Startup Platform of the future?"

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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post #145

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While some may have doubted the iPhone, Apple sold 1.9 million iPhones in the year it launched, and cell phones had already been established as an enormous and growing market. VR seems very different from that. Most people simply don’t want what companies are trying to sell them, and I think multiple major technical breakthroughs would be necessary to change that.

It hasn't been a year of AVP sales yet. And as you say, the VR market is small compared to the phone market of 2007.

It wasn’t a full year of iPhone sales either: it launched in June and sold 1.9 million units in just six months.

The VR market is small for a reason.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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> People want an experience that works out of the box. I hear this since 30 years. Yet absolutely nothing works out of the box. Everything has a learning curve, sometimes only for the sake of change (see Windows, iOS, etc)

A lot of things work out of the box. Hairdryers. Cooking stoves. Fridges. Coffee machines. It's just as soon as a company wants to make everything into a full-blown computer (to get that sweet data), that's when the problems start. The system becomes complex, feature creep and lack of engineering effort do the rest. Maybe not everything needs to be a computer.

> A lot of things work out of the box. Hairdryers. Cooking stoves.

I wish my cooking stove worked out of the box. After the control panel died a technician who didn't know what they were doing replaced it and then neglected to push a new firmware version into the Linux box running in my stove. That messed up the communications between the control unit and the power board, and my oven was perpetually 25F cooler than what I had set it to until I called another tech back to figure that out.

That was actually a food safety issue, as one might assume that if you cook your meat at a particular temperature and time then it will be safe to consume. The cook top also seemed to only be able to cook at settings 6 or 7; the lower settings seemed to be way too weak.

Fortunately I had the sense to buy an oven thermometer just to make sure.

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