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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the public is well aware that “non profit” is yet another scam that wealthy elites take advantage of, not available in the same way to the common citizen.
Or at least not available to the common citizen who does not have the $50 incorporation fee
Plus the lawyers and accountants to make sure it's setup properly and upkeep expenses
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. Even when we ignore the whole ethical aspect of "AI for benefit of humanity" and all that philosophic stuff, there are very real legal reasons why OpenAI should never have been allowed to switch to for profit. They were only able to circumvent this with their new dual company structure, but this should still not be legal.
The point of their charter is not to make money, it's to develop AI for the benefit of all, which I interpret to mean putting control and exploitation of AI in the hands of the public. The reality: we don't even get public LLM models, let alone source code, while their coffers overfloweth. Awesome for OpenAI and their employees! Every else goes without. Public benefit my arse.
I've been really hung up on the irony of "Open" part of the OpenAI name. I figure "Open" must mean "open for business". What is open about OpenAI?
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#434Maybe this is an elaborate ploy to make OpenAI truly private and clean up their corporate structure while making it seem like the fault of an evil billionaire/court system.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#435This is going to be an interesting trial. Elon has a good case that OpenAI has long diverged from his founding principles. Sam and his friends can side with Microsoft to build a ClosedAI system like Google/Deepmind and Apple. There is a place for open research. StabilityAI and Mistral seem to be carrying that torch. I don’t think SamA is the right leader for OpenAI.
Regarding Mistral recent announcements, I'm not so sure anymore.
The large models can't be run by consumers, and why would a for profit company release a large model that can then be picked up by other startups?
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mental gymnastics that some tech bro has to go through to like Musk over Microsoft to the point that they still use the 2001 meme of "M$FT" is hilarious. I know just about everything I could ever need to know about both companies and I have tons, tons of friends who absolutely love and have been at "M$FT" for 5-20 years. I don't know a single person who likes working at Tesla or SpaceX and I used to live in Austi…
Liking the environment at Microsoft is very different than liking what the company does. I know far more people excited about space x than whatever Microsoft is doing and none uses any Microsoft products whereas tons of them opted into buying a Tesla! Working at Microsoft is considered easy work whereas it's the opposite for Elon's companies. Doesn't make him a bad person.
> Doesn't make him a bad person.
My god. The little apartheid clyde isn't a bad person. Love it. Hows your model 3?
Musk gives us "hard" work. We should love being abused because we get to work on rockets!
Company towns for everyone! Giga, TX!
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#437Musk is posturing as a savior. For a promise to be enforceable in contract, it has to be definitive. There's nothing definitive here. For a representation to be fraudulent, it has to be false or misleading and relied upon as material. Courts don't treat a later change of heart as making earlier statement false, and since Altman arguably knew less than Musk at the time, it's unlikely to be material. More generally, in…
>If he can lead the charge against AI
This doesn't make any sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAI_(company)
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#438If OpenAI became a non-profit with this in its charter:
“resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person"
I don't think it is going to be hard to show that they are doing something very different than what they said they were going to do.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume you mean Exhibit 2, the email from Sam to Elon.
From: Elon Musk To: Sam Altman Subject: AI Lab Agree on all On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:24 AM, Sam Altman wrote: 1. The mission would be to create the first general Al and use ti for individual empowerment ie, the distributed version of the future that seems the safest. More generally, safety should be a first-class requirement. 2. I think we'd ideally start with a group of 7-10 people, and plan to expand from there. We h…
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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#440I uploaded the PDF to ChatGPT4 with the original name and got "Unable to upload musk-v-altman-openai-complaint-sf.pdf" multiple times
I changed it to "defnotalawsuit.pdf" and it worked...