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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Has there been a successful suit against a company for "abandoning their founding mission"? Does anyone think that this suit will succeed? Another article: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/01/elon-musk...

When the world’s richest man sues you, being a saint wouldn't be a reliable defence.

Kind of getting tired of litigious billionaires.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can sue for many reasons. For example, when a party breaks a contract, the other party can sue to compel the contract to be performed as agreed.

Specific performance is a last resort. In contract law, the bias is towards making the plaintiff whole, and frequently there are many ways to accomplish that (like paying money) instead of making the defendant specifically honor the terms of the original agreement.

Not sure about English law but in Roman law (and derived systems as in South Africa) the emphasis is on specific performance as a first resort — the court will seek to implement the intention of the parties embodied in the contract as far as possible.

Cancellation is a last resort.

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Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?

I don't know how comparable it would be, but I imagine if I donated $44 million to a university under the agreement that they would use the money in a particular way (e.g. to build a specific building or to fund a specific program) and then the university used the money in some other way, I feel I ought to have some standing to sue them.

Of course, this all depends on the investment details specified in a contract and the relevant law, both of which I am not familiar with.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public has no idea what non-profits are and a lot of things that people call 'profit seeking ventures' (ie. selling products) are done by many non-profits.

Most frequently "The CEO gets paid $X! Doesn't sound like a non-profit to me!" I hear this all the time. As if the people working there shouldn't be paid.

and part of the reason we hear this all the time is because non-profits are required to report exec compensation but private cos are not required to report the absolutely ridiculous amounts their owner-CEOs are making

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Maintaining the initial commitment becomes exceptionally challenging after attaining unforeseen success, a situation akin to a politician struggling to uphold pre-election promises once in office. EXACTLY, a year ago, an alarm echoed with urgency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981

Truly the only reason they failed at keeping their original mission is when they stopped paying employees in cash.

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> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.

Would be insane if the court case ended up hinging on whether AGI had been achieved internally or not

It won‘t, that‘s pretty much a throwaway half-sentence, but it stood out to me.

You throw a lot of things at the judge and see what sticks.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well Elon was forced to buy Twitter that way

I think this is downvoted because (and I could be wrong) he could have paid a breakup fee instead of buying the business. So he wasn't compelled to actually own and operate the business.

You are wrong, I’m afraid. The breakup fee is reimbursement for outside factors tanking the deal. A binding agreement to buy means that if you arrange financing and the government doesn’t veto it, you’re legally obligated to close.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Unsurprising turn of events. Musk can't stand not being at the top of the food chain, and it's been widely reported on that he's felt "left out" as AI has taken off while he has been consumed by the disaster he created for himself over at X - https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-ai-boom-openai-wal... I can imagine Musk losing sleep knowing that a smart, young, gay founder who refuses to show him deference is out…

Genuinely curious why I'm getting downvoted - similar comments don't appear to have met the same fate, and I'm by no means defending Altman or OpenAI.

If it's because I mentioned that Altman is gay - and I can't find another reason - I think that's relevant in context of Musk's recent hard shift rightward and his consistently aggressive, unprovoked behavior toward LGBTQ people. For some reason the topic looms large in his mind.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Maintaining the initial commitment becomes exceptionally challenging after attaining unforeseen success, a situation akin to a politician struggling to uphold pre-election promises once in office. EXACTLY, a year ago, an alarm echoed with urgency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981

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