Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?
He doesn't have access to the GPT-4 source code and data because they decided to keep that proprietary.
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#112I do wonder if OpenAI is built on a house of cards. They aren’t a nonprofit, aren’t open, and stole a huge quantity of copyrighted material to get started. But, by moving fast and scaling quickly, are they at the Too Big to Fail stage already? The attempted board coup makes me think so.
Why would OpenAI be "too big to fail"? They seemed pretty close to failing just some months ago.
Right, and then a bunch of unclearly identified forces came in and swept it all under the rug.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
But it keeps the intangible benefits it accrued by being ostensibly non-profit, and that can easily be worth the money paid in taxes. Otherwise, why do you think OpenAI is doing it?
> it keeps the intangible benefits it accrued by being ostensibly non-profit but there would be no different to a for-profit entity right? i.e even for-profit entities get tax benefits if they convert their profits to intangibles this is my thinking. Open AI non-profit gets donations, uses those donations to make a profit, converts this profit to intangibles to avoid paying taxes, and pumps these intangibles into the…
this long period of OAI non-profit status when they were making no money and spending tons on capital expenditures would not be taxable anyways.
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#114I do wonder if OpenAI is built on a house of cards. They aren’t a nonprofit, aren’t open, and stole a huge quantity of copyrighted material to get started. But, by moving fast and scaling quickly, are they at the Too Big to Fail stage already? The attempted board coup makes me think so.
Openai isn't even close to too big to fail. Bank of America fails the entire banking system collapses and the entire real economy grinds to a halt. If GM fails hundreds of thousands lose their jobs and entire supply chains collapse. If power utilities fail then people start actually dying within hours or days. If OpenAI fails nothing actually important happens.
I mean, there's about a hundred thousand startups built on top of their API. I'm sure most could switch to another model if they really needed, but if copyright is an issue, I'm not sure that would help.
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#115> Microsoft gained exclusive licensing to OpenAI's GPT-3 language model in 2020. Microsoft continues to assert rights to GPT-4, which it claims has not reached the level of AGI, which would block its licensing privileges. Not sure this is a common knowledge - MSFT licence vis-a-vis AGI.
It's described here: https://openai.com/our-structure Quote: Fifth, the board determines when we've attained AGI. Again, by AGI we mean a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. Such a system is excluded from IP licenses and other commercial terms with Microsoft, which only apply to pre-AGI technology. > "Musk claims Microsoft's hold on Altman and the OpenAI board will kee…
Does anyone credibly believe that GPT-4 "outperforms humans at most economically valuable work"?
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#116> I'd hate to bet against elon winning - @sama https://twitter.com/sama/status/618265660477452288
Because of Twitter's amazing new UI I have no idea what Sam is replying to and what the context is, so the link by itself is meaningless.
New? Looks the same as it has been for years. Also sam is clearly speaking in general terms.
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#117This is an admirable lawsuit, however, Musk is no longer on the board. That means he has as much say in the direction of the company as a random crackhead living on the BART train. The article states he left the board in 2018.
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#118In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?
Would he have standing by having a company competing in the same space as OpenAI?
He funded it in the first place, so it could achieve AGI. Why would he want to stop that? Because the whole point of donating was to make sure it was an open sourced AGI that anyone could have access to. grok as a response to open AI going both Woke and for profit.
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#119Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#120Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?
that AGI, instead of benefitting the whole world, in which Musk is a part of, will end up only benefitting Microsoft, which he isn't a part of?