File under: Live and learn.
$10K is an amount that sounds like a lot to many folks but it's nothing you can ever recover. If you engage a lawyer it'll all go to his fees even if you "win." Move on.
I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
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Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#22Taking it public like this comes across as really petty and childish.
Seems to me like he's bringing this unethical decision to attention so that employers and employees know that it's not okay. I disagree with you. It's not petty, and certainly not childish.
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#23The correct response here isn't to air your grievances in public, it's to talk to a lawyer.
Depends on what his motives are...
Also, it's 10k. For that kind of money, it's much cheaper to go public than to go legal.
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#24Taking it public like this comes across as really petty and childish.
It's always better to say positive things in public than to post something like this. However, it also sounds petty and childish on Miso's behalf. They are the ones who hired the author, and they're the ones who set the stage for what constitutes appropriate behaviour, so the whole episode just looks ... bad.
Worse for Miso, though.
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#25While this is unfortunate and it sounds like you deserve better (I'd like to hear the other side of the story first), I would discourage against taking this public. This is an issue between you and the founders, and no one else. "Warning" your former Miso coworkers should happen privately -- this post brings them the wrong kind of attention, but they did nothing to deserve it. Future employers who read this post will…
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Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I dont agree. 99% of this time this type of stuff stays private because the employee is fearful of repercussions and as a result, new employees never get warned about the mess they are walking into. Thats why I upvoted this- It takes balls to air this publicly and thats the only thing you can do to stop shit behavior like this from happening and scare other companys into treating people right. So long as companys thi…
I think it's worthwhile taking stuff like this public but threatening beforehand is a big no-no.
You're right. I'm definitely not proud of that.
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#27The correct response here isn't to air your grievances in public, it's to talk to a lawyer.
I agree, yes public shaming is free but he also just told the world he blew up a production database. That said I'll paraphrase Tom Watson when an employee of his made a $100,000 mistake "Are you kidding? We just spent $100,000 on your training".
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#28File under: Live and learn. $10K is an amount that sounds like a lot to many folks but it's nothing you can ever recover. If you engage a lawyer it'll all go to his fees even if you "win." Move on.
One could file in small claims court, if $10k is within the limit.
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#29While this is unfortunate and it sounds like you deserve better (I'd like to hear the other side of the story first), I would discourage against taking this public. This is an issue between you and the founders, and no one else. "Warning" your former Miso coworkers should happen privately -- this post brings them the wrong kind of attention, but they did nothing to deserve it. Future employers who read this post will…
I dont agree. 99% of this time this type of stuff stays private because the employee is fearful of repercussions and as a result, new employees never get warned about the mess they are walking into. Thats why I upvoted this- It takes balls to air this publicly and thats the only thing you can do to stop shit behavior like this from happening and scare other companys into treating people right. So long as companys thi…
Employees are scared to burn bridges or take it public, because it will affect them when it comes to future job prospects. Unless your new potential employers really know your rep, HR will stay far away from you.
It's also up to the new employees to stay vigilant and find out as much as they can on their new employers – LinkedIn makes it so easy to track down ex employees of companies, just shoot them an email, introduce yourself (even easier with connections) and hopefully they can give on some valuable feedback (and hopefully they're honest!)
Re: I'm a former Miso engineer and the founders screwed me out of 10k
#30This part sounds dubious:
"For example, we don't pay people outside of Miso when they refer us candidates that we hire."
Any recruiter worth their salt is getting a minimum of 15% on first years salary right now, and many are getting 20%. On a typical $150K Salary that would be $30K if the same candidate comes through a recruiter.
Perhaps it's just the case that Miso doesn't use external recruiters, and so the statement is accurate - but to suggest that bonuses are paid for good referrals as part of "Team Building" and not to get the lead on great talent would not be consistent with current market conditions.