Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to the US. There's currently a 25% tariff on imported Chinese vehicles, and there's a proposal to raise it to 125%.
BYD is opening a plant in Mexico to avoid tariffs. If that happens we should see BYD cars in the US and Canada by 2030.
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#82To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Currently unsubsidized because my government doesn’t believe climate change is real. This is before the average $700 to install the charger. Vehicle prices have skyrocketed, and while my family makes well in to 6 figures, cars are just not a thing we want to spent…
so if the government believed that climate change was real they would provide you with free EVs and charging hardware?
Federally some subsidies exist, but provincially, Canada has some real “winners”.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quality was at least as important. Cheap cars that break down and rust out aren't a bargain.
Japanese cars were never particularly rust resistant. Even some more recent Japanese models have been notorious for rusting. https://carfromjapan.com/article/industry-knowledge/the-hist...
That notwithstanding, perceived Toyota quality (perhaps in particular) was a big part of their success in probably the 80s/90s.
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#84EV utility is less than ICE cars, but far worse than commuter rail. Most of the pollution in the bay area is from car tires. So if they really want to clean that up, they need to switch to light rail and inter city express rail
Of course in the US building the above is often not affordable. We need to fix that problem, the more we can afford to build the more we will build and the faster we get away from the car only mindset.
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#85EV utility is less than ICE cars, but far worse than commuter rail. Most of the pollution in the bay area is from car tires. So if they really want to clean that up, they need to switch to light rail and inter city express rail
The thing about mass transit is that the more people who switch to rail/bus, the better the experience of having a car becomes.
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#86Isn’t the automotive space filled with lobbyists wanting to maintain the status quo? I’ve witness many families go electric and none have gone back. Self selected bias? I’ve had an EV for over seven years now. We are on our second Tesla and looking at a Rivian. I could not go back to an ICE vehicle and this is coming from a long time automotive enthusiast who has competed in rallys and track events. For my family’s l…
If you own a house, an EV is a no brainer. I drive an ICE vehicle and my wife drives an EV. My car feels like antiquated technology after driving the EV. It is hard to describe how simple, cheap and fun they are to operate. To date we haven't had to use a charging station because charging at home or at the office (for free) has been sufficient. We had range anxiety maybe the first few weeks but that is long gone. It…
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most of the pollution in the Bay Area is actually from wood smoke. In the summer it's wildfires; in the winter it's wood stoves. A significant portion of Bay Area housing is still on wood heat, which is terrible for outdoor air pollution.
> wood heat, which is terrible for outdoor air pollution FYI, newer wood stoves have a catalytic combustor and burn the gasses as they leave the wood box 2 or even three times. They are much, much more efficient and drastically less polluting (because all the particulates are burned instead of going out in the air) They're law for all new installs in many, many places.
We've got 4 of these houses on our street, all built in the mid-50s with owners who are senior citizens now and probably could never afford to live in their current home if it weren't paid off and subject to Prop 13. Their yearly housing cost is $3000. Our monthly housing cost is $10K. They can't really afford to upgrade anything, but as soon as the house is sold, it's going to get a full gut remodel and probably a second story.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to the US. There's currently a 25% tariff on imported Chinese vehicles, and there's a proposal to raise it to 125%.
BYD is opening a plant in Mexico to avoid tariffs. If that happens we should see BYD cars in the US and Canada by 2030.
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#89For people living in apartments, with the building providing no way to charge your vehicle, especially when parked outside, the value proposition is a lot less tempting. Takes 5 minutes to get gas, gas stations are everywhere, but having to find a charging station for your EV and having to sit there for an hour or longer is just not appealing if the tradeoff is the good feelings of one's microscopic contribution to s…
> having to find a charging station for your EV and having to sit there for an hour or longer A Tesla can supercharge 200 miles in 15 minutes
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> having to find a charging station for your EV and having to sit there for an hour or longer A Tesla can supercharge 200 miles in 15 minutes
Here in Geneva, Switzerland there is exactly one place with superchargers, metro area easily over 1.5 million and some of the wealthiest and most powerful folks live here or often move through here. I think they have 24 chargers altogether in that spot. Next nearest in Switzerland is some 120km away. That's basically a non-existent network. Colleague who has model S told me he can charge at his house cca 9km/hour. Wi…
There are also three within 10 km of the one in Geneva if you are willing to cross the border into France. How open is that border?