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Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by hciektnxn7 »

Ekaros wrote: post #12
wredue wrote: post #5

To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Currently unsubsidized because my government doesn’t believe climate change is real. This is before the average $700 to install the charger. Vehicle prices have skyrocketed, and while my family makes well in to 6 figures, cars are just not a thing we want to spent…

If government truly believed in climate change they would ban passenger cars. Both for taxis and private use. Or gave out very limited purchase licenses.

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Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by hciektnxn7 »

wredue wrote: post #5

To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Currently unsubsidized because my government doesn’t believe climate change is real. This is before the average $700 to install the charger. Vehicle prices have skyrocketed, and while my family makes well in to 6 figures, cars are just not a thing we want to spent…

so if the government believed that climate change was real they would provide you with free EVs and charging hardware?

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by neogodless »

grecy wrote: post #42

The FUD that continues to come from big money around EVs is impressive, if not a little boring and dumb. These graphs are getting mighty steep with no letting up. Any business or market segment in the world would be hailed a massive success with growth like that. [1] The Tesla model Y is the 2nd best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the F-150. The sales compared to legacy OEMs are insane. And that is just Tesla…

> The Tesla model Y is the 2nd best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the F-150.

While this doesn't change the point you're making, according to this, the Tesla Model Y was 5th best selling in the U.S. in 2023. Can you show me where you got 2nd?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by nicolashahn »

happytiger wrote: post #21

I will never buy and EV as long as I’m beholden to the tyranny of PG&E’s constant gamification of my power. They keep raising and raising prices and there’s nothing attractive about putting all my eggs in the electric basket in California as long as the rates are controlled by cartels. PG&E will exploit any electric car progress for themselves and rip off their customers as hard as they can as soon as they thought th…

PHEVs are the answer

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Post by kwhitefoot »

wredue wrote: post #5

To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Currently unsubsidized because my government doesn’t believe climate change is real. This is before the average $700 to install the charger. Vehicle prices have skyrocketed, and while my family makes well in to 6 figures, cars are just not a thing we want to spent…

Why would you need such a lot of work done? A normal domestic 230 V 10 A supply is enough to add 10 km of range per hour so if you plug it in at 20:00 and unplug at 06:00 you have added 100 km. That's far more than the average daily distance for the vast majority of users.

> Dropping 80k on a vehicle is WAY past

You can get perfectly useable EVs for under half that in Europe. Are they not available in the US?

See https://ev-database.org/uk/cheatsheet/price-electric-car. It lists 19 models under 40 kUSD.

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by grecy »

neogodless wrote: post #63
grecy wrote: post #42

The FUD that continues to come from big money around EVs is impressive, if not a little boring and dumb. These graphs are getting mighty steep with no letting up. Any business or market segment in the world would be hailed a massive success with growth like that. [1] The Tesla model Y is the 2nd best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the F-150. The sales compared to legacy OEMs are insane. And that is just Tesla…

> The Tesla model Y is the 2nd best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the F-150. While this doesn't change the point you're making, according to this, the Tesla Model Y was 5th best selling in the U.S. in 2023. Can you show me where you got 2nd? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

https://insideevs.com/news/672690/tesla-model-y-second-only-...

Exert: "Remarkably, the Model Y was the second most popular vehicle of any kind in the US after only the Ford F-150 pickup truck"

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by grecy »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #59
dalyons wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It coming, from BYD and the other new Chinese ev companies

Not to the US. There's currently a 25% tariff on imported Chinese vehicles, and there's a proposal to raise it to 125%.

If you can't beat the competition, stifle them!

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by neogodless »

grecy wrote: post #66
neogodless wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Tesla model Y is the 2nd best selling vehicle in the US, behind only the F-150. While this doesn't change the point you're making, according to this, the Tesla Model Y was 5th best selling in the U.S. in 2023. Can you show me where you got 2nd? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

https://insideevs.com/news/672690/tesla-model-y-second-only-... Exert: "Remarkably, the Model Y was the second most popular vehicle of any kind in the US after only the Ford F-150 pickup truck"

So for a specific time period, it was considered Number 2:

> The EV doubled US registrations in January-April 2023

But it lost ground to end up at Number 5 for all of 2023.

You can't really say it "is" the second best selling vehicle, though you can say it briefly "was."

It may be the way Tesla reports their sales. It looks like they were at 127k for Q1, while the Chevrolet Silverado sold 126k in that time period.

But over the course of 2023, the Silverado sold 543k, while the Model Y sold 386k. Not sure when the big slowdown was for the Model Y.

Re: Are US EV sales a disaster or a booming segment? The answer may be both

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Post by nradov »

api wrote: post #29
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #24

EVs are still too compromising or expensive. All I want is an electric no-frills version of my Civic at a comparable price. Honda themselves, or any other manufacturer, have been unable to offer that. I have no interest in buying another ICE vehicle, so I'll continue to maintain my current car, but I'm ready to buy once they offer something I'm looking for.

> All I want is an electric no-frills version of my Civic at a comparable price. The US car industry seems really determined not to allow anything affordable on the market. It's not just EVs. They also push overpriced bloated gas guzzlers. Eventually someone will get a cheap reliable decent-range EV like you want into the market and steamroll the entire industry.

Overpriced according to whom? There's no big conspiracy here. Manufacturers earn larger profits on more expensive vehicles. If consumers are willing to buy expensive cars then why bother making cheap ones?

Some of the legacy mainstream brands used to offer an affordable entry-level model as essentially a loss leader to build brand loyalty with younger consumers. The theory was that those consumers would return in a few years and trade that cheap car in for a more profitable model. But now the brands have largely abandoned that strategy.

As for fuel economy, it costs more to build an efficient vehicle. If consumers are willing to pay a premium for efficiency then manufacturers will be happy to build it.

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Post by grecy »

neogodless wrote: post #68
grecy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://insideevs.com/news/672690/tesla-model-y-second-only-... Exert: "Remarkably, the Model Y was the second most popular vehicle of any kind in the US after only the Ford F-150 pickup truck"

So for a specific time period, it was considered Number 2: > The EV doubled US registrations in January-April 2023 But it lost ground to end up at Number 5 for all of 2023. You can't really say it "is" the second best selling vehicle, though you can say it briefly "was." It may be the way Tesla reports their sales. It looks like they were at 127k for Q1, while the Chevrolet Silverado sold 126k in that time period. Bu…

You're right, the article I linked is not covering all of 2023 which I did not realize.

Give it another quarter or two :)

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