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Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by Balgair »

azemetre wrote: post #115
sonicanatidae wrote: post #85

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They likely won't get to that point. I expect them to end this Dune like the 80s Dune ended or very close. The points you bring up are really 2nd book and beyond and I suspect trying to add that in would just confuse people who don't already know the Dune story. They would also be tough to communicate in a video format, as compared to a book, as the depth will be lost. Regardless, I'm anxious to watch part 2 of the c…

I'm pretty sure Denis Villeneuve has said on the record that he plans on adapting Dune Messiah if the movies are successful, which is a great bookend to Paul Atreides story.

I've not seen part 2 yet. But, if they really are making a trilogy and the second part ends on a high note, then classic film-writing tells us that the overall trilogy is bound to be a tragedy not a comedy.

The end of the second act (in 3-act plays/movies) is either the nadir of the protagonist's journey, or the height of the tragic-hero's success. At least per storytelling books.

Most stories are told in 5 acts [0], and in comedies the hero/protagonist sees the darkest point in the story at the end of the 4th act. Thereby giving the hero the largest contrast possible in climbing out of the depths to their heights at the end of the story; the most cathartic path possible.

In tragedies, the protagonist/tragic-hero sees them at the height of their power/fortunes at the end of the 4th act. Thereby giving the protagonist the greatest fall possible; the most repression for the audience.

[0] The reasons for this going all the way back to Shakespeare and the odd interplay between the size of human bladders (~2.5 hours) and the burn length of the candles from the company near the Globe (~40 minutes).

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by mring33621 »

fakedang wrote: post #33
duxup wrote: post #11

I liked the first 2/3 of the first film. It had some fun takes on events and scenes. But after that it felt like it was on auto pilot plowing through plot bits. The events that close that film are really uninteresting / don't feel very climatic. I get it's a two part film but I do expect a given part to feel somewhat complete, but I felt like it was more of a "to be continued" ending and I was less than entertained b…

Exactly. I can easily recollect the first half of the first movie, but after Paul meeting the Fremen, I barely remember anything out of the movie.

yeah the fremen in part 1 are kinda boring.

but after re-watching it recently, i think part 1 overall is pretty great

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by mring33621 »

erellsworth wrote: post #101
subsubzero wrote: post #53

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agree, Dune for me was one, Inception being another. I liked Moon(small budget but excellent), interstellar was ok. And thats about it.

I'd put Everything Everywhere All at Once on that list, depending how you define sci-fi. One of the best films of the decade, in my opinion.

old lady matrix? I couldn't get into it...

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by fakedang »

nick238 wrote: post #61
fakedang wrote: post #33

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Exactly. I can easily recollect the first half of the first movie, but after Paul meeting the Fremen, I barely remember anything out of the movie.

Didn't they meet, Paul fought Jamis, then that was basically the end? I thought that was maybe the last fifth of the movie, not half.

Guess I have a better memory than I had estimated. :-)

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by reddit_clone »

skywhopper wrote: post #31
jamager wrote: post #10

> Even better than the first film The first part left me quite underwhelmed, tbh. Maybe I had too high expectations given the director, but while the visuals are amazing, the characterization of some characters (like lady Jessica or Thufir Hawat) are very far from how the books depicts them, and I don't think is an interpretation thing. I understand that Dune is too big of a masterpiece for a simple 2 part movie (it…

I do think it's inevitable that a film adaptation will let down any major fan of the original book. There's simply a barrier between media that cannot be reconciled, certainly not for any story as complex and expansive as Dune. (Sounds like this movie is at least three parts, for what it's worth.)

Not to mention so much internal dialog. Hard to translate into film.

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by subsubzero »

erellsworth wrote: post #101
subsubzero wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

agree, Dune for me was one, Inception being another. I liked Moon(small budget but excellent), interstellar was ok. And thats about it.

I'd put Everything Everywhere All at Once on that list, depending how you define sci-fi. One of the best films of the decade, in my opinion.

I really want to know why you liked it, reason I ask is I came into the movie wanting to love it and couldn't finish it(ended it half way). I just disliked it so much. For me: the story seemed so childish(like a middle schooler wrote it), the characters didn't seem quite interesting(I did like that the main character was an older lady as you do not see that typically in film), and the dialogue really corny. I know alot of people love it and am curious on what about it made it so entertaining.

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

wrsh07 wrote: post #71
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #41

"of the Decade"? Author using that phrase again, and they're serious about writing off the next 6 years? Will see how that ages. Would have been safe to say "of the last ten years" no?

I think saying "of the decade" but meaning "of the [past] decade" where decade means "a period of ten years" is pretty reasonable Quibbling with that sort of misses the point, no?

I read the rest of the review, it's fine, I'm just questioning writing off a bunch of "future" years of movie releases seems premature. The author makes a point that they're staking that claim.

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by baal80spam »

Keyframe wrote: post #75
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #55

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I'm 44 and I think Lynch'n Dune is better, because it has soul . The first movie was very sterile and lifeless. I commented about it here a while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38980303

My brother from another mother! 43 here, maybe there's something to it.

43 here and same thoughts. I _do_ like the reboot, but Lynch's Dune just oozes atmosphere, and its... baroqueness is just insurmountable.

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by azemetre »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #118
azemetre wrote: post #115

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I'm pretty sure Denis Villeneuve has said on the record that he plans on adapting Dune Messiah if the movies are successful, which is a great bookend to Paul Atreides story.

That would be awesome. I would love to see his take on the next part.

For sure, I feel like that movie has to spend time showing the galactic jihad and the true horrors it brings.

The book just skips this (which works too IMO, but not suitable for movies; ya gotta show, not tell).

Re: Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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Post by onion2k »

airstrike wrote: post #68
subsubzero wrote: post #53

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agree, Dune for me was one, Inception being another. I liked Moon(small budget but excellent), interstellar was ok. And thats about it.

Moon was truly excellent

It was. It was released 15 years ago though.
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