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Dune: Part Two Is the Best Sci-Fi Film of the Decade

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I was extremely impressed by and thoroughly enjoyed "part one". However I think Blade Runner 2049 was better. [1] I'm excited to see "part two". [1] Stephen A Smith Hot Take: I actually think BR:2049 was better than the original - and I am a true devotee of the original.

I think blade runner 2049 could be considered a superior film if you edited out most of Jared Leto’s character.

I heard that part was written for Bowie. One of the most plausible rumors I've ever heard. He would have been perfect. Instead, Jared Leto is agonizingly bad.

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> Even better than the first film The first part left me quite underwhelmed, tbh. Maybe I had too high expectations given the director, but while the visuals are amazing, the characterization of some characters (like lady Jessica or Thufir Hawat) are very far from how the books depicts them, and I don't think is an interpretation thing. I understand that Dune is too big of a masterpiece for a simple 2 part movie (it…

IMO the visuals were just... bland. Everyone wears grey and lives in dark grey dwellings. The color balance is so bad that Atreides flag that is green on Caladan becomes cyan on Dune. This greyness also ruined the supposedly-awesome scene with the worm where it was just a dark blob on a grey background. And it was unintentionally funny when the camera pans over a featureless grey desert, and someone says "you can tell the spice by the color of the sand".

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Agreed that the SciFi channel miniseries of Dune is top notch. There’s also a Children of Dune miniseries with the same cast. Catch is when I wanted to watch it last these couldn’t be streamed anywhere legally. So I bought them on dvd from fleabay.

Children of Dune was on the same level. Both were, by far, the pinnacle of Sci-fi (Syfy) channel during their glory days. Stargate is cool, Farscape is too, BSG is my all time favorite, but this - this was BSG before they had the budget. This enabled them to do BSG. They knocked it out of the park. Twice.

Tangentially related, their maxiseries Taken was also excellent.

Difficult to learn it even existed given that an action movie franchise which used the same name pretty much crowds it out of search results

It’s another one I ended up getting on dvd.

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I think blade runner 2049 could be considered a superior film if you edited out most of Jared Leto’s character.

I heard that part was written for Bowie. One of the most plausible rumors I've ever heard. He would have been perfect. Instead, Jared Leto is agonizingly bad.

I’m not really sure if Bowie could have salvaged that level of unnecessary exposition homaging the original but I can’t deny it would have been vastly more entertaining.

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> Even better than the first film The first part left me quite underwhelmed, tbh. Maybe I had too high expectations given the director, but while the visuals are amazing, the characterization of some characters (like lady Jessica or Thufir Hawat) are very far from how the books depicts them, and I don't think is an interpretation thing. I understand that Dune is too big of a masterpiece for a simple 2 part movie (it…

Yeah, I don't remember Jessica being nearly as overtly emotional in the book as she is in Part 1. I enjoyed Part 1 while watching it, but somehow it's just not memorable to me. It's a much more faithful book adaptation than Lynch's Dune, but Lynch's Dune is full of moments that stick with me and has an iconic soundtrack. To be fair, I first saw Lynch's Dune when I was very young so that might explain part of why I fi…

Lynch understood what the problems of a direct adaptation would be. An example would be the Weirding Way. One would have to invent a martial art that both looked fresh on the screen (new, different) and was also simultaneously overwhelmingly powerful. This is perhaps nigh-insurmountable (I dunno, clone Bruce Lee, but also raise him with a lot of cinematography experience, then have him design another Jeet Kune Do which looked impressive through a lens). Lynch opted for the Weirding Modules, which still provided this surprise advantage against the Sardukar terror troops and tied back, thematically, to Paul being the fulfillment of prophecy.

He understood that millennia of feudalism would make for a psychically claustrophobic atmosphere, that the avoidance of the thinking machines would necessarily birth the creation of humans who might have visibly different traits ("... the lips acquire stains ...") from the strain of being human computers. He understood that voiceovers were appropriate because, to survive in such an environment, you must constantly be thinking about what other minds are thinking, to remain steps ahead.

Finally, Lynch understood that the dialogue must be larger than life. I heard a trailer for the recent one and I swear, some of the dialogue between Paul and Chiani sounded like Avengers-era quippy Whedon output.

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The first one was good enough for me to see 2/3 times in IMAX :) The director literally made some of his other movies to prep for Dune. Movies with dozens of Millions in budget were his practice for this next flick, so hey, I'm ready to give my money and be blown away!

That’s ironic, considering how much better Arrival and the Blade Runner sequel were than Dune.

Arrival is an incredible film. (And sure enough, as is the story it's based on.) That's even with the discounting factor of the useless rogue bombers subplot.

Blade runner 2049 is an interesting film. Visually gorgeous. Ana de Armas doing one of the best stone-cold scenes I have ever seen. And the whole film having the guts to tell a small story in a big world. Commendable. But I also find myself cringing at how it took a well constructed universe and pretty much dismantled it. So I'm rather torn over what I should think of the film.

Of course, story telling wise the Dune mini-series was far above the first new film. But that didn't make the new film bad, it just made it ... different. And too packed. Dune's story is fundamentally big, sweeping and slow. Squeezing it into a film format will cripple it.

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> Even better than the first film The first part left me quite underwhelmed, tbh. Maybe I had too high expectations given the director, but while the visuals are amazing, the characterization of some characters (like lady Jessica or Thufir Hawat) are very far from how the books depicts them, and I don't think is an interpretation thing. I understand that Dune is too big of a masterpiece for a simple 2 part movie (it…

IMO the visuals were just... bland. Everyone wears grey and lives in dark grey dwellings. The color balance is so bad that Atreides flag that is green on Caladan becomes cyan on Dune. This greyness also ruined the supposedly-awesome scene with the worm where it was just a dark blob on a grey background. And it was unintentionally funny when the camera pans over a featureless grey desert, and someone says "you can tel…

Perhaps there was something wrong with whatever setup you watched the first one on. The colors were all pretty warm and...sand-colored, definitely not anything I'd call "grey".

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I could not stand the first part of the movie Dune. I'm sorry for the fans, but it was amongst the worst movies I have ever (partially) watched. Slow and incomprehensible for me. P.S. I have not read the book.

I can’t imagine trying to understand the movie if I hadn’t read the book. As you say, it would be absolutely incomprehensible.

One might argue that means that the movie failed to properly execute.

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agree, Dune for me was one, Inception being another. I liked Moon(small budget but excellent), interstellar was ok. And thats about it.

Moon was truly excellent

Moon, Arrival and District 9.

The last one would have been even better without the force-fed mecha segment, I think.

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I couldn’t get thru the first one. Absolute snooze fest.

I find it interesting how divisive this movie is. Many of my friends thought it was immensely boring. One even fell asleep halfway thorough. I found the first movie so incredibly captivating that it immediately became my favourite movie and I've gone on to read the first few books. I've seen it I think 10 times now.

I watched Part II on the 25th. Really really good. Having read the book now there's some things I missed or thought could be better but it still just blew me away.

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