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Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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“Everyone is competing for the same people, going after the same real estate, the same support services,” Hartz says. “The natural resources of the startup world are getting scarcer and scarcer, and the cost is getting higher and higher. It’s all an outgrowth of an abundance of capital.” And largely still doing this in just a few square miles in California. Are investors so emotionally tied to one geographic area tha…

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

I'm usually not a fan of the dismissive tone that is customary in many a HN comment, but you simply don't know what you're talking about.

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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“Everyone is competing for the same people, going after the same real estate, the same support services,” Hartz says. “The natural resources of the startup world are getting scarcer and scarcer, and the cost is getting higher and higher. It’s all an outgrowth of an abundance of capital.” And largely still doing this in just a few square miles in California. Are investors so emotionally tied to one geographic area tha…

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

> "Plus, the bay area is very expensive, it attracts engineers who are more likely to jump to the next hot startup, its hard to find good office space, etc."

I disagree completely. Engineers here are no more likely to jump ship than anywhere else - the difference is that in some geographies you can keep people tied to you via lack of opportunities (i.e., "so... who exactly in town is hiring?"), but with mobility so prevalent these days, even that won't hold a skilled engineer for long.

And from my own experience - I was the first one on the ground setting up a satellite office for a company not based in SF. I found a great office space in 2 days.

> "This makes bumfuck Ohio[1] a better place if retaining talent is important."

As an engineer in SF, I simply have no interest in living in bumfuck Ohio. You'd have to pay me considerably more than even SF levels of salary for me to make that sacrifice.

There are many places that may attract tech talent that isn't SF or the Valley - but they are all major metropolises, because they contain the lifestyle that the typically young-ish technology folk are looking for. In the current climate there is no reason for anyone to hole up in a backwater and not live life while they build their startup.

> "Turnover means critical knowledge is walking out the door."

Fully agreed. So who is more likely to stick around: someone who is getting paid a (very high) SF salary, meaningful equity, all the perks you can throw at them, interesting work, a city full of people who get technology, sunny weather, mild temperatures... or bumfuck Ohio, where salaries are severely depressed, and the community of hackers is small, and the people who surround simply don't get it?

> "Bumfuck Ohio may not have the cool meet ups that SV has"

Read: There are few opportunities to network. Meetups are a core part of what makes SV tick, not just between VCs and those hungry for funding, but between engineers. They are an incredibly powerful recruiting tool and exposure to new tech and new products.

> "People are focused on venture capital, not building profitable businesses."

Have you been to SF or SV? Have you actually met the startup folk around here?

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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Regarding the "recent developments", RTP jumps out on the following map: http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/10991843/ Durham and Orange Counties voted no by over 2-1 margins. And meanwhile, Proposition 8 passed in California a few years back; indeed, such propositions have been passed everywhere in the US where they've been put to the voters as a whole. North Carolina is not distinguished in this respect. I pers…

What on earth does this have to do with technical talent? Projecting your political opinions a bit?

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Exactly. Every time I hear somebody talk about the "overabundance of capital" in the startup world, I want to grab them by the shoulders, stare them in the eyes and scream frantically like a mad-man "Have you been to RTP (NC) ?!?!??" OK, not quite that bad, but still, you get the drift. What's happening in California is not necessarily indicative of what's going on in the rest of the world. Research Triangle Park, fo…

This isn't a political statement, it's a comment about culture as it relates to recruiting valuable and scarce talent. Startup culture tends to be highly meritocratic. It lends itself to openness toward who you are as an individual as long as you work hard, work smart and achieve. Given this, I can't imagine trying to recruit the best and the brightest to NC given recent developments when there are more accepting pla…

Just to add some anecdotal evidence, I'm a college student in NC but I'll be leaving for SF on Saturday and I can't wait.

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the "recent developments", RTP jumps out on the following map: http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/10991843/ Durham and Orange Counties voted no by over 2-1 margins. And meanwhile, Proposition 8 passed in California a few years back; indeed, such propositions have been passed everywhere in the US where they've been put to the voters as a whole. North Carolina is not distinguished in this respect. I pers…

What on earth does this have to do with technical talent? Projecting your political opinions a bit?

Some technical talent is directly impacted by these types of laws and we care. The last time I got an e-mail asking me about a position in Qatar I just sent back a link to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar along with a few polite words.

The guy was sympathetic, but we both knew that was the end of that conversation.

For some of us this isn't a matter of politics, but an impact on our quality of life. And for others of us, it may just be a matter of politics, but even then, that doesn't mean it's trivial.

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

One thing about California is that state law explicitly says anything developed on your own time with your own equipment is yours (obvious conflicts with your employer aside). Every employment contract I have seen outside of California has said something to the effect that anything you develop, no matter whose time and equipment is used, or relevance to your job or employer belongs to them. Even if you worked for a s…

Virtually every employment contract I have seen even inside California is extremely biased towards the company owning everything. It is just that in most cases that contract isn't enforceable, even if you sign it.

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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“Everyone is competing for the same people, going after the same real estate, the same support services,” Hartz says. “The natural resources of the startup world are getting scarcer and scarcer, and the cost is getting higher and higher. It’s all an outgrowth of an abundance of capital.” And largely still doing this in just a few square miles in California. Are investors so emotionally tied to one geographic area tha…

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley.

There's a lot of history behind it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFSPHfZQpIQ

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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“Everyone is competing for the same people, going after the same real estate, the same support services,” Hartz says. “The natural resources of the startup world are getting scarcer and scarcer, and the cost is getting higher and higher. It’s all an outgrowth of an abundance of capital.” And largely still doing this in just a few square miles in California. Are investors so emotionally tied to one geographic area tha…

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

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Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand the over fixation on Silicon Valley. I lived there for awhile. Its got high population density is full of a lot of fake people (people who are happy to "help" your startup for just a taste of the equity), fake investors, and an extraordinary amount of noise. I'm sure there are many people who love it for the same reasons that high pressure finance types love new york city. But this seems ana…

> "Plus, the bay area is very expensive, it attracts engineers who are more likely to jump to the next hot startup, its hard to find good office space, etc." I disagree completely. Engineers here are no more likely to jump ship than anywhere else - the difference is that in some geographies you can keep people tied to you via lack of opportunities (i.e., "so... who exactly in town is hiring?"), but with mobility so p…

> As an engineer in SF, I simply have no interest in living in bumfuck Ohio. You'd have to pay me considerably more than even SF levels of salary for me to make that sacrifice.

I think the point is there are great programmers already living in Ohio, who have family and ties there.

Re: Why One of Silicon Valley’s Savviest Investors Has Shut His Wallet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the "recent developments", RTP jumps out on the following map: http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/10991843/ Durham and Orange Counties voted no by over 2-1 margins. And meanwhile, Proposition 8 passed in California a few years back; indeed, such propositions have been passed everywhere in the US where they've been put to the voters as a whole. North Carolina is not distinguished in this respect. I pers…

What on earth does this have to do with technical talent? Projecting your political opinions a bit?

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