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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by cubefox »

jzebedee wrote: post #447
crtasm wrote: post #382

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Patreon about page begins: >yuzu is a Nintendo Switch emulator capable of running many games! With yuzu, you can play such games as Pokémon Sword & Shield, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate — on your PC. Regardless of the legal status of an emulator, I wouldn't list game titles if I were writing that copy…

It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

"Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation" is just a convenient scapegoat to justify piracy.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by a_vanderbilt »

Springtime wrote: post #14

> The legal document claims that over a million copies of last year's The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom were downloaded prior to the game's official retail release. As a result, the company is now seeking damages and is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. Quite the leap from existing as an emulator to inexplicably being held liable for some independent leak.

It is also fully their fault the game was leaked early. They released the game carts to buyers too early, and their system5 crypto scheme was already broken by the time the game came out. Yuzu didn't break system5, nor do they ship the keys needed to decrypt the dumped game files. They did release patches which specifically fixed issues with Zelda, and that wasn't a good look legally - but it isn't illegal to fix inaccuracies with the software.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by cubefox »

fartsucker69 wrote: post #514
aurareturn wrote: post #505

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Disagreed. I'm guessing that 99.99% of Switch emulator users do not own the cartridges. They're stealing, which is not only morally wrong, but legally wrong. Nintendo has the right to protect their IP and they have the right to make money. Furthermore, I disagree in general that it's morally and legally correct to emulate something you purchased.

what's morally problematic about emulating something you already own?

What's morally unproblematic about emulating something you don't already own?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by ab5tract »

daurnimator wrote: post #405
boomboomsubban wrote: post #258

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>So, a website fits that definition What DRM is a browser bypassing? As if you control some that is being bypassed by a browser, you're free to sue.

Have you seen user agent strings? Every browser pretends to be all the browsers before it to get around restrictions on who can see/render content.

Your point is as nonsensical as the user agent strings themselves.

It's not copy protection. It may change the structure and content of the page that is sent but that is not copy protection.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by tristor »

Ironically, I own more than one Switch and all the games I play using an emulator. After the Steam Deck came out, I just preferred using the emulator on the Steam Deck because it allowed me to backup and share save files, so I had the convenience of a handheld with the ability to play on my gaming PC at home and in both cases have performance unrestricted. When the Switch OLED came out I was hoping it would be a performance boost also, but unfortunately that wasn't the case so I didn't buy one.

I /really/ really like the Switch hardware. I think the Switch is arguably one of the best consoles ever made, especially for it's ergonomics and UX. The detachable joycons, the subtle integration of motion control, and it's light weight with good battery life made it an exceptionally good gaming product. I truly love my Switch(es), but they are very long in the tooth in 2024, running off what is basically a 2017 smartphone hardware. If Nintendo releases a Switch 2 with full games backwards compatibility, I'd prefer to play on first-party hardware vs using an emulator, but from my perspective I just want the best gaming experience, I don't care about their greedy interpretation of the law. Software is software and hardware is hardware, it makes no sense to restrict emulation in any way as long as you legally own the games.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by monocasa »

withinboredom wrote: post #617
monocasa wrote: post #614

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1201 doesn't require signing a contract or agreeing to an EULA.

Then how do you know there’s copyrighted content there and you aren’t just building something compatible?

It's soft; like a lot of legal concepts, there isn't a black and white test.

At the end of the day it's what can be proven to a jury.

In this case for instance, I don't think there's a decent legal strategy for Yuzu wrt "we didn't know the encryption on switch ROMs was a 1201 protected device".

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by coryfklein »

I love video games. I grew up with Super Mario Bros on the NES and since the 2000's I feel absolutely spoiled by the burgoening and diverse indie game industry. I can hardly believe that today I can mix and match genres, and the fact that the genre "deck building city builder roquelike" (looking at you Against the Storm) even exists is amazing.

This whole industry exists because society has made guarantees that you can in fact license your game for sale and be rewarded for all your hard work. I'm glad that piracy has been far enough on the edges that people still find it worth their time to invest years into dreaming, crafting, and delivering wonderful new games every day.

Where does this leave console emulators? I agree with everyone here that there is nothing inherently wrong with building them. But practically speaking, they do in fact significantly lower the barrier to "I'm going to play this game without paying the creators for it."

If you, like me, love video games and want there to be a healthy and thriving market for them, then what is the right and correct set of rules that we can agree on as a society? I don't think banning emulators makes sense, but it bothers me how much the hacker community completely lacks any sense of nuance for how their "fun hacker project" can have a detrimental effect on the very thing they love.

If the creators of these emulators are doing it out of a love and passion for video games, should they not also encourage users to pay for them? I know Nintendo isn't popular around here, and this particular action of theirs seems overreaching even to me, but if I have to pick a side I'm choosing the one that has some semblance of a future for video games.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jamiek88 »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #532
jamiek88 wrote: post #433

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Because perfect security is impossible and you only have to leak your real IP once - especially with committing to github it would be so easy for a tool or plugin to leak that.

You make it sound harder than it has to be. Just put your VPN on autostart and be done with it. Also, there are other git hosting providers out there.

‘Just’ and never ever ever ever forget.

Easy.

Just like it was for Ross Ulbricht!

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Moldoteck »

NlightNFotis wrote: post #601
Moldoteck wrote: post #587

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piracy is not stealing. the potential profit that they could have had is just potential, not actual, so you don't steal money. You also do not steal the game since the game is still owned by nintendo/others. Please don't accuse users of doing something they don't do. Also, this lawsuit is not against users, it's against an emulator creator, they didn't still nor pirate the nintendo content (it can be debatable if the…

Piracy *is* stealing. Sure, you may not have taken away money from Nintendo’s bank account by coercion/force/whatever, but the company and its employees have partaken into an effort to produce something of obvious value to you, for which they are asking for compensation for you to be able to enjoy, and you’re choosing to skirt this understanding so that you can enjoy their work without compensating them for it. Yeah,…

Again, it's not stealing if you look at the definition of word stealing. There's a reason it's called piracy not stealing. You are not stealing what those people/company have (the product is still their, the result of their work is still their), you can't steal what they don't have(potential money). It's not stealing per definition.

You still may consider this legal/not legal/moral/immoral and it's ok, each can have their own opinion on this topic and there are different laws in different countries but using word 'stealing' is not correct

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