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Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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> But they’ve never done safety critical stuff like a car. Of highly mechanical stuff like a car. Or things that need something of a dealer network the way a car does And SpaceX had never launched a rocket into space, until they had. I don’t get this idea of a company like Apple not being able to get into a space, when tiny startups get into spaces all the time. Nobody expected Tesla to take on Ford either, but here…

> Surely Apples massive vault of cash doesn’t decrease their chances on ideas that fall outside their specialty. That cash ironically is an obstacle to Apple being able to innovate. Instead of creative problem solving it solves problems with cash. Instead of collaborating and recruiting people to come work for a common vision, they join to pursue cash and status. Apple is nothing but a “phone company” with a bank att…

>Instead of creative problem solving it solves problems with cash. Instead of collaborating and recruiting people to come work for a common vision, they join to pursue cash and status.

Apple is rather frugal with acquisitions and hires and somewhat frugal with salaries.

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That's not the point I was making. I was only stating that the Cyber Truck's design isn't boring, and that today's Apple seems incapable of designing something exciting.

It is unusual , but in a remarkably boring way.

A prop from a 1980s sci-fi "b movie"

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Who would that put out of business? Does that replace anyone's job function? It sounds like you're describing something like "really good search for Wikipedia" which to be clear I think is great, but who's gonna be replaced by that in their workplace? EDIT: actually, I overcommitted a little bit with "really good Wikipedia search". I can rely on Wikipedia search to not invent stuff from whole cloth and try to pass it…

Do you understand the concept of individual productivity? If you have 5 people working for you, and a new technology makes each 25% more productive, you can fire one of them. The idea here is that it won't stop at 25%. Even if you were to accept this premise, maybe you're just thinking about chat gpt 3.5 or 4. But it really doesn't take a lot more imagination to think about what version 7 or 30 might do. The same goe…

Has anyone been made measurably more productive with this stuff? Is even 25% achievable? I'm a software engineer, and I spend less than 25% of my time typing out code. So even if copilot could write every single line of code for me it could not improve my productivity by 25%. In order to make me 25% more productive it would also have to somehow speed up everything else I do at work as well. Has this been demonstrated?

Auto-completing function bodies with stack overflow content is cool! I'm not trying to say this technology isn't doing anything. It's clearly doing something "cool". But that doesn't necessarily actually make anyone more productive. That seems like an extraordinary claim (at least based on my own small experience working with it), so I'd expect to see some extraordinary evidence.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Not so much for pedestrians and bicyclists, or people using other forms of travel that don’t involve being inside a tank-like vehicle.

That's not the point I was making. I was only stating that the Cyber Truck's design isn't boring, and that today's Apple seems incapable of designing something exciting.

People seem quite excited by the new goggles.

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No, but having tried it I can't figure out what they're talking about. Seems like more NFT-esque nonsense.

This comment is really odd to see on HN. It’s like if a group of computer enthusiasts (in person) had a guy saying “I don’t understand what the big deal is with this so-called internet.”

The Internet was (is) a totally transformative technology which has changed how people work, play, shop, and interact worldwide. Your claim is that generative AI will do this? How? I recall a few months ago the Web 3.0 people saying a similar thing. Is it different this time?

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>privacy-first ethos Apple doesn't have a privacy first ethos, it's more of an All your-data-are-belong-to-us. They just don't like to share the asset of their users data, that's not privacy.

This is not true at all. I would recommend reading a bit on Apple’s privacy practices and how they differ from other players in the space to arrive at a more informed understanding here. From Apple’s legal page [0] for e.g. maps: “Individual usage metrics are associated with an identifier that rotates multiple times per hour, and is not tied to your Apple ID. This means Maps cannot search for information about you ba…

That's not remotely true, at least not for Apple in China.

We know that Apple will throw their users under the bus for profit if incentives align.

"Apple tells suppliers to use 'Taiwan, China' or 'Chinese Taipei' to appease Beijing" https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/05/apple_warns_suppliers...

"The problem with canceling Jon Stewart: Apple bowed to Chinese government censorship" https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2023/10/26/jon...

"Apple pulls Taiwanese flag emoji from iPhones in Hong Kong" https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-10-08/apple-taiw...

Even Google didn't went that far and withdrew from China.

"In early 2010, Google shut down its Chinese website altogether after failing to reach an agreement with Beijing over how much content to censor in search results." https://observer.com/2022/10/alphabet-shut-google-translate-...

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Thank you for your comment. I enjoyed reading it. For me -- I like simplicity. A simple computer. A simple phone. A simple car. etc. I am not against technology "that just works" and you dont need to do much... but it comes at a cost, being your freedom (lack of configurations) I am not here to point fingers and anyone. I just like to have control over my technology, or it is relatively easy to repair (or pretty chea…

>For me -- I like simplicity. Pretty much for that reason the only piece of tech in the last 15 years that I've genuinely liked is the Kindle (or comparable ereaders). Literally just displays books in a format that feels pretty natural and does almost nothing else.

Imagine the mountain of electronic waste if everyone needs a separate gadget for every task.

A screen is a screen. In theory, a single general-purpose computer with a screen is the simplest solution of all.

The real problem, as I see it, is that it has become very hard to make a general purpose computer with good UX and decent privacy. All the forces are working against it. But we should not give up trying.

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If I were running a successful company I would stay as far away from selling cars as possible- it can't imagine how bad it is for PR (not to mention your psyche) to suddenly have "Family killed by drunk driver" headlines with a giant color picture of your flagship product, blood-stained and mangled below it.

Cars kill over a million persons per year. Nobody is held accountable. https://urbanists.social/@straphanger/111998485016925111
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