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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by slily »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #493
pipes wrote: post #487

Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here. Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platf…

would it change if they were making less money? or emulating a previous generation? Or if that 30k was split between 100 devs and is basically a small tip per month instead of a very comfortable wage for a single dev?

It would. If they weren't enabling current-gen piracy and profiting off of actively exploited IPs, they wouldn't get a tenth of that income, maybe not a hundredth, looking at what other projects earn. Plenty of top emulator developers spend their nights and weekends on hardware research and low-level programming and get zilch for their efforts. I could name several who deserve support more than Yuzu, but they don't withhold updates behind Patreon subscriptions, focus on new platforms to hijack market share, or self-promote by listing all the games you can pirate on their programs - in other words they're passion projects, not money-making enterprises, so far from making thousands a month, most of those projects are lucky to get a fiver here and there from an appreciative user. Anyone familiar with the scene can tell you that Yuzu makes that money because they actively seek it. The fact that it's a highly profitable product focused on enabling illegal activity and not a passion project is what's uncomfortable.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by crtasm »

jzebedee wrote: post #447
crtasm wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patreon about page begins: >yuzu is a Nintendo Switch emulator capable of running many games! With yuzu, you can play such games as Pokémon Sword & Shield, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate — on your PC. Regardless of the legal status of an emulator, I wouldn't list game titles if I were writing that copy…

It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

Either way I'd argue it's in an emulator team's interest to not highlight specific games, especially when asking for money.

Thinking further on it I wouldn't write "Nintendo" either: "yuzu is a Switch emulator that runs your games on PC/Mac/Android - often with better resolution, framerates, ..." is fine - people already know about the games they want to play.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by crtasm »

npteljes wrote: post #529
crtasm wrote: post #328

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That list is misleading you. Just looking at the first page I can instantly spot: Assassin's Creed - not free, must own the full price game collection. Animal Crossing: New Horizons Island Transfer Tool - not a game. BLAZBLUE CROSS TAG BATTLE SPECIAL TRIAL - a demo. Capcom Arcade - free to download but you need to buy the games within. Control - time limited demo of a fullprice single-player game. requires internet a…

I agree, it's not the best example. But I still think that my original point is valid: the Switch is rich with games and what OP was missing is just information, literal seconds of googling. Here are 16 games that are free to play on Switch: https://www.ign.com/articles/best-free-nintendo-switch-games Here are 500+ games that have playable demos: https://www.dekudeals.com/games?filter[demo]=available&sort=...

I believe most of those fall under "free-to-play titles that manipulate people to spend money" plus require an active internet connection (I wasn't clear if offline gaming was desirable for OP) but yes - I agree that there is free gaming to be had.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by prophesi »

faaarmer wrote: post #262
progbits wrote: post #208

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Huh, TIL. Thanks!

In some cases. In other cases they run worse on Steam Deck, notably Tears of the Kingdom.

At this point, there's a TotK optimizer you can find that even has a preset specifically for the Steam Deck.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by loup-vaillant »

guappa wrote: post #569
loup-vaillant wrote: post #552

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> […] but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy. Since when? Do you remember which law? I don't recall anything like the DMCA being ported to French law. > So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax. I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

> I'm pretty sure it used to be legal. Only if it doesn't have the CSS thing, which most commercial ones have. Even though it's a silly protection, it still counts as a "protection" legally. It's like that in Italy so I suppose it's the same in france https://www.gianluigibonanomi.com/diritto-copiare/

Ah, found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DADVSI

TL;DR: it's more complicated than I thought. First, the law was introduced in 2006, so before it, circumventing DRM and publishing how to do it was not a crime. (Of course, publishing copyrighted works with no proper authorisation was already a crime, regardless of DRM.)

Then for a brief time, circumventing DRM was outlawed. But fear of foreign monopolies (most notably Microsoft) and free software lobbying eventually had those articles amended, effectively exempting research and free software from any sanction. The exact limits of the current law are still fuzzy, but it seems pretty clear that using VLC to make copy of a DVD I own is 100% legal in France.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by stuckkeys »

_jplc wrote: post #183

Pirate everything Nintendo produces.

I jailbroke the original switch with unpatched gpu exploit. I had also bought few games with it. I try to setup parental controls and all the sudden the device is banned. That made me mad. I bought the device. They require internet service for parental controls and set play time. Nintendo is a giant penuz. i hope their content gets pirated into oblivion after this scenario ( going after yuzu ).

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

aurareturn wrote: post #506
jzebedee wrote: post #447

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It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

I'd argue that you should reverse your stance. It's illegal to pirate games. Being able to emulate things you purchased is a convenient scapegoat for people to pirate games.

Being able to cut cheese is a convenient lie to be able to cut people.

/s

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by parski »

aurareturn wrote: post #505
_imnothere wrote: post #495

Things like this and companies like Nintendo must be stopped, it's both morally and legally correct to emulate when people actually owns the machine and cartridges.

Disagreed. I'm guessing that 99.99% of Switch emulator users do not own the cartridges. They're stealing, which is not only morally wrong, but legally wrong. Nintendo has the right to protect their IP and they have the right to make money. Furthermore, I disagree in general that it's morally and legally correct to emulate something you purchased.

You're full of shit.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jovial_cavalier »

knicholes wrote: post #331
jovial_cavalier wrote: post #307

Last I checked, you needed to actually own a switch and a downloadable version of the game to use yuzu... has this changed?

Oh, I didn't know you had to own a Switch. I thought you just had to own the game?

Yeah, like the guy above says. They don’t actually circumvent the DRM. They just get the switch’s key. I think there are only as many keys as there are switches, so while you could probably buy it on the gray market, with just yuzu and a site that hosts roms, you can’t do any pirating

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by OOPMan »

Jevon23 wrote: post #583
carlosrg wrote: post #556

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>In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v ... What are they supposed to do? Leave videos about piracy of their own IP untouched? It baffles me how people believe they have a fundamental right to pirate Nintendo software without consequences.

The majority of HN makes a living from software that by nature can’t be pirated, so they have little sympathy for people who work on software that can be pirated.

Nonsense.

Nintendo bring this in themselves with their own policies.

There are so many hardware platforms I can support, and one that hardly ever does sales and refuses to bring their games to other platforms is not that appealing.

I buy games on PC, I buy games on XB, I've even rebought some games between the platforms to play couch co-op with my kid.

Steam and XB have enough sales to make this an option, Nintendo on the other hand is adamant about wringing every last penny from you.

These days I don't have time for Nintendo's nonsense. They want to live in their walled garden, they can have it.

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