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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by gremlinunderway »

carlosrg wrote: post #556
Lammy wrote: post #94

Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

>In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v ... What are they supposed to do? Leave videos about piracy of their own IP untouched? It baffles me how people believe they have a fundamental right to pirate Nintendo software without consequences.

Won't someone please think of Nintendo? Poor, poor Nintendo?!

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by eertami »

aurareturn wrote: post #506
jzebedee wrote: post #447

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It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

I'd argue that you should reverse your stance. It's illegal to pirate games. Being able to emulate things you purchased is a convenient scapegoat for people to pirate games.

> It's illegal to pirate games.

Well, there's a bunch of places where that's not true. Then it's a question of morality, although that usually gets unfairly asked of the individual but never asked of giant mega corporations.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Jevon23 »

carlosrg wrote: post #556
Lammy wrote: post #94

Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

>In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v ... What are they supposed to do? Leave videos about piracy of their own IP untouched? It baffles me how people believe they have a fundamental right to pirate Nintendo software without consequences.

The majority of HN makes a living from software that by nature can’t be pirated, so they have little sympathy for people who work on software that can be pirated.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by StimDeck »

rbits wrote: post #567
climb_stealth wrote: post #311

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Better as in much better framerate with no performance drops. At least that's what I've heard. Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility. Personally I really dislike the whole motion control aspect so always turn them off. Zelda included. I'm sure there are other tradeoffs as well. But would love it see what it's like on an emulator. Or may…

Not in my experience. Definitely performance drops on the Deck. And even when it's running well, shader caches or whatever can make it stutter. Still very cool to be able to have all my games on one device though, even if it doesn't run as well.

Curious if you are running with or without mods.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by StimDeck »

Cu3PO42 wrote: post #490
extraduder_ire wrote: post #398

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If you have a hacked console (paperclip with a 1st year console, modchip with later ones), you can back up your saves using a homebrew app (checkpoint) if you remember to do it regularly. You can also copy the saves off the console (or the emulated NAND you're supposed to create when hacking it) by running a different app (TegraExplorer) right from the bootloader. I had to do this when I messed up an update and my sy…

I didn't want to run CFW, so I have actually written a tool to back up and decrypt all saves in a single click given any vulnerable Switch in RCM Mode. It's been really quite useful.

And you’re planning to create a GitHub gist later to share it right?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by StimDeck »

vlz wrote: post #466
Sabinus wrote: post #265

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Downloading a file and putting in on a Steam Deck seems easier than working for ~3 hours then purchasing a Nintendo game.

Yeah, why pay for something, if you can also simply download/steal it? Something which took a lot of work to make? Reading comments like this I can almost understand Nintendos stance on emulation. Suing the emulator team is certainly not the right thing to do, but come on. At least pay for the game if you are not paying for the console.

The people who steal it were probably not going to buy it anyway. And it’s not like they are downloading a car.

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Post by Moldoteck »

aurareturn wrote: post #505
_imnothere wrote: post #495

Things like this and companies like Nintendo must be stopped, it's both morally and legally correct to emulate when people actually owns the machine and cartridges.

Disagreed. I'm guessing that 99.99% of Switch emulator users do not own the cartridges. They're stealing, which is not only morally wrong, but legally wrong. Nintendo has the right to protect their IP and they have the right to make money. Furthermore, I disagree in general that it's morally and legally correct to emulate something you purchased.

piracy is not stealing. the potential profit that they could have had is just potential, not actual, so you don't steal money. You also do not steal the game since the game is still owned by nintendo/others. Please don't accuse users of doing something they don't do. Also, this lawsuit is not against users, it's against an emulator creator, they didn't still nor pirate the nintendo content (it can be debatable if they had access to proprietary nintendo code and the emulator was written based on that code, but if not we can for sure say that they do not infringe nintendo's copyright)

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jetbooster »

nox101 wrote: post #464
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Are 100% of features supported? Tilt sensor? Amiibo support? 2-8 controllers with motion camera, tilt sensor, internal speaker, and vibration?

I can confirm a PS4 controller tilt sensor works with yuzu, so fundamentally it's possible, not sure a plugin for parsing the steamdeck tilt sensor exists though

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by crtasm »

jamiek88 wrote: post #433
crtasm wrote: post #413

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In that scenario, why would you have connected to Github from any IPs that link to your identity?

Because perfect security is impossible and you only have to leak your real IP once - especially with committing to github it would be so easy for a tool or plugin to leak that.

Tor browser for accessing the website. For commits a git+SSH config using Tor's socks proxy port will fail closed.

For other tools/plugins that you can't be certain about you would have to run things in a VM that prevents non-Tor connections - e.g. this is how Qubes/Whonix does things.

Replace Tor with VPN as desired.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by aurareturn »

kuschku wrote: post #545
aurareturn wrote: post #506

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I'd argue that you should reverse your stance. It's illegal to pirate games. Being able to emulate things you purchased is a convenient scapegoat for people to pirate games.

I own switch games. I do not want to play them at 15fps at a 600p resolution if I can play them at 60fps at 4K. Why should I not be able to emulate them?

Because people are not paying for pirated games?
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