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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Pirate everything Nintendo produces.

The funny thing is that I really would've liked to own a switch but my absolute hatred of Nintendo has kept me from doing it

Personally I don't want the physical hardware. But I would be happy to buy the games if they just ran in PC ...and Nintendo wasn't a giant asshole.

Of course if they started selling their games for PC that may be a sign of enough change for me to reset my asshole status for them.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

>In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v ... What are they supposed to do? Leave videos about piracy of their own IP untouched? It baffles me how people believe they have a fundamental right to pirate Nintendo software without consequences.

Emulation isn't piracy. It can be used for piracy, but emulation itself isn't.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here. Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platf…

I'm not sure I understand your point. As I understand it, Nintendo makes: 1) hardware, and 2) games. They are attempting to tie together the game and the hardware, so that if you buy the game, you also have to buy the hardware, in order to force people to buy more hardware, and not just buy the game and go to a competitor for the hardware.

But as often happens, a competitor came along - by producing an interoperable emulator which allows people to buy the game, but play it on different hardware.

I can understand why Nintendo would prefer not to have competitors, and how they might like to use their market power in the games space to crush competitors (FLOSS or not) in the hardware / emulation space, but they should expect to have to compete - that hardly seems like 'having a point'.

Apparently, under US law, an owner of a copy of software is allowed to make a copy if it is an essential step to running it on particular hardware, and that copy is not used for any other purpose: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/117. So someone who purchases a copy of the game is allowed to copy it again for the purpose of emulating it.

And apparently, while the US has laws against manufacturing and making available circumvention technology, decrypting for the purpose of interoperability is explicitly exempted: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201 17 USC s1201 (f)(3).

So using that law as a cudgel to prevent competitors from producing a compatible product is not really what the law was intended for, and I'd say this is bullying and abuse of process against a competitor.

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Normie here. I will not be buying any more switch games now that I heard about this emulation thing.

if you own a pc that can run emulated switch games and you can use it well enough to actually do it, you aren't a normie.

Or maybe your understanding of what common users are capable of are wildly out of date. Switch games are available as one click installers now, compete with game and emulator.

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Read the Uber Files. Uber is on record for lobbying the most powerful governments on Earth. Macron for example was on first name terms with Uber. Also, Uber had systems to prevent the police from seeing incriminating data during police raids. Basically, Uber had powerful allies and was willing to do illegal things. That's the difference between Uber and the other apps that got shut down for breaking the law

And yet, it took them a veeeery long time and a looot of money to post a quarter profit, not to mention making up for all the outside investment

Remember had moonshots to justify their high valuation. The self driving car division was one and the self driving trucks was another one. Those things were veeeeeery expensive to run

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Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Are they really rare? I have an older switch that is easily hackable and can’t be blocked due to it being a hardware vulnerability but I have never bothered to hack it as I just don’t know if it is worth it. Not sure if you can continue to play online once hacked and I assume once hacked play pirated games as why else hack it. But I haven’t pirated games in a long time I wonder if it is worth it. What the switch real…

> why else hack it

So you can dump the cartridges and digital games you own, and the keys to run them.

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Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

Better as in much better framerate with no performance drops. At least that's what I've heard. Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility. Personally I really dislike the whole motion control aspect so always turn them off. Zelda included. I'm sure there are other tradeoffs as well. But would love it see what it's like on an emulator. Or may…

Not in my experience. Definitely performance drops on the Deck. And even when it's running well, shader caches or whatever can make it stutter. Still very cool to be able to have all my games on one device though, even if it doesn't run as well.

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Nothing Nintendo can do can shut the emulation genie... because China. A lot of Chinese sff pc/handheld producers (GPD/Minisforum/Ayaneo/Beelink etc)[1] are now creating device with the explicit understanding that these devices will be used for emulation, and are creating devices as such. even if Yuzu is banned...Chinese will take over, and nothing any american/japanese game manufacturers can do to stop it. ---- [1]…

They're crapping themselves because somebody has just released [1] a cartridge that lets you run "backups" stored on a SD card on an actual physical switch. Each cart has a unique key though, so I imagine Nintendo will go on a big banning spree. [1] https://migswitch.com/

Oh yeah, from what I've heard using that will get you banned instantly

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> Here in France, as far as I know I have a right to private copy Wrong :) You have a right to a private copy, but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy. So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax. We're getting screwed :)

> […] but you don't have a right to circumvent copy protections to get that private copy. Since when? Do you remember which law? I don't recall anything like the DMCA being ported to French law. > So ripping a DVD is still illegal, despite the tax. I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

> I'm pretty sure it used to be legal.

Only if it doesn't have the CSS thing, which most commercial ones have.

Even though it's a silly protection, it still counts as a "protection" legally.

It's like that in Italy so I suppose it's the same in france https://www.gianluigibonanomi.com/diritto-copiare/

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