Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

Post by withinboredom » Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 10:19 AM UTC

monocasa wrote: post #158

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I'm going to assume the encryption is not custom. If it is "off-the-shelf" then they'll have a real hard time proving that without making every browser on the internet a "copyright circumvention device." But regardless, if they "distribute" (ie, can be freely read off the device without special tools) the keys in the clear, it isn't used to protect anything.

They use AES, but a pretty custom key derivation scheme to get to the AES keys for a specific game given the game's metadata and pre shared root keys installed on the switch at manufacturing time. Yuzu implements that key derivation scheme so that you don't have to track down per game version keys. A browser does not have the code to decrypt a switch ROM.

Post by actionfromafar » Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 10:26 AM UTC

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It's called contributory copyright infringement. The Supreme Court only ruled that the VCR was legal based on a very narrow use case: if a television broadcast aired once and only once, never to be seen again, and the user could not see it as scheduled, they were legally entitled to use a device to record the broadcast and watch it at a later time -- once, after which they would presumably have to destroy the recordi…

> It's called contributory copyright infringement. The Supreme Court only ruled that the VCR was legal based on a very narrow use case… That 1984 Supreme Court decision was a 5–4 ruling. Can you imagine the deleterious effect on the home electronics industry if, in 1984, a single justice had voted the other way, and the VCR had been ruled an inherently infringing device?

Post by kuschku » Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 10:28 AM UTC

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It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

I'd argue that you should reverse your stance. It's illegal to pirate games. Being able to emulate things you purchased is a convenient scapegoat for people to pirate games.

Post by itsoktocry » Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 10:46 AM UTC

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This won't matter. The goal will be to run them out of money. It's an open source project and they most likely don't have the capital to fund any sort of lengthy lawsuit.

I really wish our system had some kind of financial handicap when it came to access to the legal system. Weaponizing the legal system to bankrupt people that would be found Not Guilty shouldn't be possible.

Post by itsoktocry » Wed, Feb 28, 2024, 10:55 AM UTC

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When the game isn't be sold any more, along with the console, emulation makes sense. But the switch emulation for at least 2 years now has been more than good enough to run games of a current gen system, and you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game. The emulator also requires Nintendo data they're not actually allowed to ship (there's a number of resources to download it…

> When the game isn't be sold any more, along with the console, emulation makes sense. Emulation makes sense since day one . Frankly, good emulation is straight up better than the console. Accuracy is high and you get a lot more features. Truth is they should have released the games in this format to begin with but they insist on creating little digital fiefdoms with "exclusives" and DRM instead. If anything doesn't…