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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by DinaCoder99 »

dartos wrote: post #24
diggan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bleem! (PlayStation emulator) was sued by Sony and was forced to close down because of legal fees, so I guess that counts as a success for Sony. I seem to recall a bunch of ROM sites disappearing as well, but not sure if that's because they got sued or for other reasons. Some must have been sued and consequently shut down, so maybe not a bad idea (for the companies) to at least try?

ROM sites are actually illegally distributing copyrighted content. Emulators are usually not stolen and are just reverse engineered.

Those sites are not illegal in all countries.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Aissen »

lmm wrote: post #167
GrabbinD33ze69 wrote: post #91

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Nintendo caught using an open source emulator for the switch, without any sort of credit to the authors after suing? If so, I have no empathy for them.

> Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Nintendo caught using an open source emulator for the switch, without any sort of credit to the authors after suing? Majesco Entertainment published some switch games made by Mistic Software, which used an open source emulator without credit and in violation of its license (and therefore were infringing copyright). Atari was somehow involved as well. Nintendo had no involvement,…

> unless you consider them responsible for not doing a thorough enough license audit of every company that publishes Switch games or something.

That's the thing with closed platform, you can't have your cake and it too.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by johnnyanmac »

pipes wrote: post #487

Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here. Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platf…

would it change if they were making less money? or emulating a previous generation? Or if that 30k was split between 100 devs and is basically a small tip per month instead of a very comfortable wage for a single dev?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by sharpneli »

3abiton wrote: post #399
WithinReason wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, if you want to do it legally.

Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...

Depends on the place. This sort of interoperability is explicitly allowed in the EU.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by hamoodhabibi »

pipes wrote: post #487

Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here. Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platf…

Personally I really don't get this outrage over emulators.

A huge chunk of the population can't afford Nintendo Switch or its expensively priced licenses. They turn to a zero-cost grey-market online. Nintendo wants to turn those people into paying customers?

Somebody who owns a Switch and buys games aren't going to stop paying so who is Nintendo really trying to deny?

How do we decide who gets to listen to a song and who doesn't on the internet where information constantly tries to reach homeostasis by becoming free and widely available? Capital?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Sakos »

dartharva wrote: post #449
gamepsys wrote: post #46

This is truly awful for the gaming community at large. If this case makes a ruling then it will most likely have an impact on all emulation projects. If Nintendo decides to sue your open source project, how do you mount a legal defense?

Awful for the emulation team? Yes. Awful for the gaming community at large? Eh, Nintendo products are not as dominating as you think. It is only available in select countries and has a hundred million users at best. Compare that to PC and mobile gaming, it is almost negligible. Though it would indeed be problematic if American courts manage to establish a precedent criminalizing emulators. That is indeed a real threa…

> Though it would indeed be problematic if American courts manage to establish a precedent criminalizing emulators. That is indeed a real threat; American courts are not known for robustness or integrity.

That's exactly why it's awful for the gaming community and honestly for human culture at large. Video game preservation isn't a thing without emulators. If Nintendo wins this, it means open season on every (major) contributor to an emulator and every emulation project. It means the end of the thriving emulation community and anybody interested in contributing except for a handful who are willing to risk being sued and/or live in a place where the US justice system has no reach.

And it's not like Western Europe is particularly friendly to anything or anybody that circumvents DRM.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by WithinReason »

nox101 wrote: post #464
WithinReason wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Are 100% of features supported? Tilt sensor? Amiibo support? 2-8 controllers with motion camera, tilt sensor, internal speaker, and vibration?

Amiibos are supported (virtually), not sure about the rest

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by mock-possum »

pipes wrote: post #487

Not sure how I feel about the developers making 30k a month in patreon donations for writing an emulator for a current gen console. Nintendo might have a point here. Edit: that said, I did pay 5 dollars (or something like that) for redream, which is a Dreamcast emulator. But in my mind at least, this doesn't deny the developers of the games I play on it the money they would get from a sale. Because it is a dead platf…

I know how I feel about it - 1) they deserve every penny and 2) Nintendo needs to back off.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by hellotomyrars »

diggan wrote: post #13
theultdev wrote: post #5

This is a pretty big case to watch. Are there any cases of emulators being sued successfully? A user being able to provide keys and a rom from which they could own or be homebrew doesn't seem to violate copyright to me. edit: seems the consensus is once via legal fund attrition, but the case went to the emulator authors in the end.

bleem! (PlayStation emulator) was sued by Sony and was forced to close down because of legal fees, so I guess that counts as a success for Sony. I seem to recall a bunch of ROM sites disappearing as well, but not sure if that's because they got sued or for other reasons. Some must have been sued and consequently shut down, so maybe not a bad idea (for the companies) to at least try?

Sony also sued Connectix and lost. Sony purchased the rights to the emulator made by Connectix a year or so later. Connectix shut down 2 years after they sold the VGS to Sony but it isn't clear their fate was negatively impacted by Sony.

This move by Nintendo is typical and there is no intent for it to ever actually go to court. It is legal bullying/posturing. The ironic/hopeful part is that team behind Yuzu does have some financial backing and this is going to create goodwill for them and they might actually be able to put up a defense (perhaps with the EFF getting involved maybe?)

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