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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by ryzvonusef »

Nothing Nintendo can do can shut the emulation genie... because China.

A lot of Chinese sff pc/handheld producers (GPD/Minisforum/Ayaneo/Beelink etc)[1] are now creating device with the explicit understanding that these devices will be used for emulation, and are creating devices as such.

even if Yuzu is banned...Chinese will take over, and nothing any american/japanese game manufacturers can do to stop it.

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[1] AyaNeo literally created a DS clone called the Flip DS... doesn't get more explicit then that: https://www.ayaneo.com/product/AYANEO-FLIP-DS.html

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by kmeisthax »

jrockway wrote: post #173
teeray wrote: post #74

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I really wish our system had some kind of financial handicap when it came to access to the legal system. Weaponizing the legal system to bankrupt people that would be found Not Guilty shouldn't be possible.

The legal system has sort of recognized this as a problem, which is why many states have anti-SLAPP lawsuits. Unfortunately, I don't think this strictly falls under the definition of "public participation", so there is no protection available. (And, big companies just try to sue you in federal court or states with no anti-SLAPP lawsuits. So anti-SLAPP is not the big victory it should have been.)

An anti-SLAPP law usually works by giving you a special motion that lets you say "hey, I think this is a SLAPP lawsuit", which basically gives you access to fee shifting (making the loser pay the winner's legal fees). Copyright already has this built in.

Which is great news... for Nintendo.

The problem that Nintendo is citing in their lawsuit is the fact that Yuzu ships Switch common keys. For the purpose of DMCA 1201, this is a smoking gun[0]. There isn't really a good legal argument for why emulators should be allowed to ship decryption keys, or at least, the EFF refused to come up with one when Dolphin asked for legal advice on this point a while ago. So if you go to court and provide a completely legally baseless argument, Nintendo wins, and then they move for fee shifting, which means they get to prosecute the case for free[1].

[0] While it is true that the scope of DMCA 1201 is far wider than just encryption keys, in this case, Nintendo has only cited the keys being in the emulator and the fact that Yuzu is really useful for running pirated software, which is "good enough".

[1] In practice, it's more "for cheap" than "for free", because there's specific rules about how much you're allowed to fee shift, a whole bunch of stuff about 'lodestar amounts', etc.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by SkeuomorphicBee »

jwells89 wrote: post #179
deelowe wrote: post #98

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Yuzu has amazing compatibility. I'm guessing it's getting too good for Nintendo. Their concerns with TotK are not without merit. I played it on Yuzu (on PC) because it was a much better experience than on the switch. Within a few days of the game being out, there were resolution and fps patches which made the game run much better. That said, I'm not sure how Yuzu can be blamed for TotK piracy. Guessing Nintendo is th…

I’ve seen this sentiment echoed by many. Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware. There’s clearly a market for a “Switch Pro” or similar that can run TotK, etc at 60FPS without frame drops.

> Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware.

That is difficult for Nintendo, the GPU architecture used on the switch is long dead, so Nintendo has no easy way of releasing a better switch. Because of that they will probably wait as much as possible and then release a completely new console with only limited backwards compatibility.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by ranguna »

nox101 wrote: post #464
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Are 100% of features supported? Tilt sensor? Amiibo support? 2-8 controllers with motion camera, tilt sensor, internal speaker, and vibration?

I'm not 100% sure tilt is supported out of the box, and amibo for sure is not unless you have a dongle or something.

But I'm not sure why this is so surprising, the steam deck is a Linux PC.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by [deleted] »

jamiek88 wrote: post #433
crtasm wrote: post #413

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In that scenario, why would you have connected to Github from any IPs that link to your identity?

Because perfect security is impossible and you only have to leak your real IP once - especially with committing to github it would be so easy for a tool or plugin to leak that.

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Ekaros »

viraptor wrote: post #281
Lammy wrote: post #94

Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

It would be amazing if Valve stepped up with legal funds/protection there. They do get money from people buying SteamDecks for emulation and well... free publicity if they take on Nintendo.

On other hand after sale of device emulation does not pay... And selling games is where they earn money. Fight for emulation is useless legal fight for them and they are not org build for litigation.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by wtetzner »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #61
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #58

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So can companies of leaved PC games sue nvidia or windows?

The law doesn't work on strict abstract principles. Windows has a million uses of which piracy is just one. Yuzu has two uses (playing legitimate backups and pirated backups), of which Nintendo may successfully argue, both are piracy (due to the circumvention of encryption in both cases). In which case, the only possible use in 99.9%+ of cases... is for illegal activity.

> Yuzu has two uses (playing legitimate backups and pirated backups)

And maybe for developing homebrew games?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by beardedmoose »

climb_stealth wrote: post #311
progbits wrote: post #188

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Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

Better as in much better framerate with no performance drops. At least that's what I've heard. Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility. Personally I really dislike the whole motion control aspect so always turn them off. Zelda included. I'm sure there are other tradeoffs as well. But would love it see what it's like on an emulator. Or may…

That has not been my experience with switch games on the Steam Deck. Anytime shaders are loaded the FPS seems to stutter which in the newer Mario game is like every few seconds at first and it gets better the longer you play.

I still prefer the switch for switch games myself.

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