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Yep. Apple dodged a very uncool bullet here. Now make an e-bike, Tim Apple.
It’s like a bicycle for your body
Thanks. For reference:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KmuP8gsgWb8
Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
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#832Earlier quoted context omitted.
Imho Teslas feel very much like a car that Apple could have designed. Lots of aspects of the whole experience are fundamentally different than other cars. Maybe I'm not thinking radically enough, but then Jony Ive is pursuing other career options, too.
Teslas are the Alienware of automobiles. Flashy, ostentatious, and aimed at enthusiasts with more money than taste. Apple would likely have made something that evoked elegance. It would have contrasted with Tesla in the same way a Macbook contrasts with an Alienware.
Flashy? What teslas are you referring to. and have you seen the inside??
Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
#833To be honest, I'm not sure what Apple could've brought to the table in regards to making an electric car. Apple's hardware design philosophies[1] don't really align with what consumers want in a car. Apple being less minimalistic than a Tesla — which is already at an extreme — is a hard sell. [1] Examples of what I mean: - Cars use faux materials all the time for cost and weight purposes, or even just looks (i.e. fak…
I don’t hate the Apple Watch, but I was pretty seriously disappointed at how it looked when it came out. Great! They made a watch look like my phone, cool
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Apple was first to which market? There used to be a time when it was the Apple fanboys that claimed Apple was first to market.
First to the "everyday smartphone" market. Kinda. It didn't do anything very well at launch, not even copy/paste, but it was still awesome at the time
Apple deserve a lot (LOT) of credit for that one, but always with the caveat that it was incomplete in its own way - features were lacking while the experience was smooth and user friendly. Through the early 2010s (when I was also risking my cell phone store job by being on TV praising the introduction of a competitor...) it was always a toss up between the better functionality of Android and CE6 vs an interface that wasn't dropping every 10th frame even on flagship hardware.
Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
#835After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…
A lot of people want (as you describe) the “least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done” But what you then go on to describe is the antithesis of other people’s definitions. People want an experience that works out of the box. That they don’t have to think about package managers or maintenance. That’s low complexity for the vast majority of people. That’s why people are going for Apple and…
Was going to say this. I went from what he describes as the solution, to what he describes as the antithesis, for the exact reasons he went in the opposite direction. Funny eh?
Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
#836After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…
I could not agree with you more.
All electronics fail, and all systems reliant on electronics fail. Not all worm gears fail.
As someone who has worked in tech my whole life, and who currently runs a technology-centric company, I generally detest the state of technology these days. I have reached a point in my life where I consciously limit my use of technology, and make it a point to steer clear of purchasing and making use of devices and services with "superfluous technology" unless their are no alternatives.
Many (if not most) modern technology systems are far too complex to be properly tested, especially when taking into account integrations (via "standard" interfaces) with third party technology systems. As technology systems have become more complex, their reliability as tools to accomplish an intended goal has drastically decreased while the telemetry capabilities of the systems have been drastically improved (without me knowingly realizing any benefits thereof). As such, I have learned to rely on technology less and less as I have aged.
There are surely many reasons for the inverse relationship between complexity and reliability of technology systems, but a cursory list of suggested root causes that come to mind include: - use of (necessary, in modern software development) automated test tools; - use of programming languages too-abstracted from technologies employed within the system; - a likely growing percentage of developers lacking a working domain knowledge of the systems they are developing; - the corporate / financial pressure to needlessly upgrade or evolve technology systems--even in the absence of flaws or demand for the upgrade--in the name of maintaining / increasing shareholder value (see also: planned obsolescence, etc.)
Two immediate examples of "too much technology" that come to mind, because I have experienced them within the past few days:
1) Bluetooth is soon to be 26 years old, yet my model year 2022 smartphone cannot reliably communicate with my model year 2022 vehicle's head unit via Bluetooth to play music or relay audio during phone calls. I cannot tell you how many point releases of smartphone software (or vehicle head unit software) have been released since I have owned both the phone and the via Bluetooth, but Bluetooth has never worked correctly on any of them. Why?
2) On some recent releases of macOS Sonoma, the OS can read FAT* formatted USB media without issue, while other releases (to include 14.3.1) cannot read FAT* formatted USB media. Regarding 14.3.1: on 14.3, I could read and write to FAT* USB drives just fine, but I could not type an email longer than a couple of lines without the UI overlaying text on top of other text in the email, making the entire text of the email illegible. When 14.3.1 (with the text overlaying issue fixed) was available, I applied the update right away. Now I can write emails without issue, but I cannot read FAT* formatted USB drives. Why?
Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
#837Earlier quoted context omitted.
Teslas are the Alienware of automobiles. Flashy, ostentatious, and aimed at enthusiasts with more money than taste. Apple would likely have made something that evoked elegance. It would have contrasted with Tesla in the same way a Macbook contrasts with an Alienware.
Tesla is the opposite of "flashy and ostentatious," their car designs are boring as are their interiors. I don't know where you could possibly be getting that impression when they make the most milquetoast sedans on the market.
With the notable exception of Cybertruck I like to think of them as “conservative AF, but with fewer buttons and knobs”. Sort of like the iPhone. The visual similarity of the onboard computer to iOS design only reinforces the impression.
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Why does everyone have to it?
i agree with your general sentiment but for Apple I do believe it makes sense to focus on AGI as they could incorporate it within their OSes and products to make them more productive for the users.
A noble goal for a superintelligence.
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#839Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People want an experience that works out of the box. That they don’t have to think about package managers or maintenance. That’s low complexity for the vast majority of people. > That’s why people are going for Apple and Tesla. I think you misspelled Toyota...
Tesla’s Model 3 and Y outsell other brands models. Toyota is losing their crown , especially in California. https://news.yahoo.com/report-sheds-light-major-rivalry-2045...
Not what I meant. "People want an experience that works out of the box."
That experience of a car just working out of the box, doing what it is supposed to do, and never having any issues whatsoever, is more typical of Toyota/Honda than it is of any of the EV makers. Even though electric vehicles as a category should be better in principle (fewer moving parts).
Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey
#840After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…
A lot of people want (as you describe) the “least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done” But what you then go on to describe is the antithesis of other people’s definitions. People want an experience that works out of the box. That they don’t have to think about package managers or maintenance. That’s low complexity for the vast majority of people. That’s why people are going for Apple and…
> People want an experience that works out of the box.
I hear this since 30 years. Yet absolutely nothing works out of the box. Everything has a learning curve, sometimes only for the sake of change (see Windows, iOS, etc)