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Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Because unionized workers consistently have higher pay, better benefits and more rights. Next time you see the headline about some company laying off thousands of people while simultaneously making record profits and paying their CEO some number of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, ask yourself why that never seems to happen to unionized workers. Next time you see the headline about the "working poor" that ha…

Adding a union might net workers who join it higher pay in the short term, but who's to say that they aren't missing out on significant wage increases in the long term? You'll never see that counterfactual, and as a union gains momentum, it becomes increasingly unlikely we'll ever know how the workers might have performed without the union.

> but who's to say

Economic theory, strategic behavior, and repeated observations through history (leading to the genesis if unions).

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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It’s good in the medium term, but in the longer term production will be moved to Mexico. No reason not to and a union of a reason to move.

Hopefully politicians can punish the move to mexico. Voters should support that.

Voters?

That’s proven not to be true. Ask all the SC garment workers or the New England shoe factory workers…

No, people want cheap even if that means their neighbors Steve and Diane lose their jobs, go on welfare and they end up paying more in taxes as a result offsetting their savings in cheaper textiles and shoes!

So… yeah, no. They want less expensive cars from Mexique.

And the pols want those nice Corp contributions… they do not represent their voting constituency.

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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The main thing I want from the UAW is a refund for all the money they took from me when I was a grad student. In the US, the UAW is the union for graduate student employees at several universities.

I'm sure it was an immense amount compared to your current paycheck

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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I'm skeptical of unions as well, but the auto workers in the US are getting absolutely shafted. I see no other way to deal with this corporate greed.

What is the difference between corporate greed and regular greed?

Concentrated vs. diffuse greed.

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Good for them. Got to keep unions alive for that collective bargaining. Given the recent state court rulings in AL, I am honestly surprised Mercedes is even keeping the plant open.

I always saw unions as a bureaucratic/political layer that sits on top of workers, collecting money without contributing.

I also don't think that people should all get the same pay or collectively bargain. Some people work harder, invest more in their skills, bring a better attitude, etc. They should get paid more.

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Good for them. Got to keep unions alive for that collective bargaining. Given the recent state court rulings in AL, I am honestly surprised Mercedes is even keeping the plant open.

wasn't there some kerfuffle years ago with a Mercedes exec getting arrested at a traffic stop? Something about an invalid or missing passport and a program targeting undocumented immigrants driving in Alabama.

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because unionized workers consistently have higher pay, better benefits and more rights. Next time you see the headline about some company laying off thousands of people while simultaneously making record profits and paying their CEO some number of hundreds of millions of dollars per year, ask yourself why that never seems to happen to unionized workers. Next time you see the headline about the "working poor" that ha…

No problem, the manufacturing will move to Mexico.

I see a lot of good and bad in unions. From a policy POV, I prefer a wealth tax that redistributes to regular people (workers), either as a UBI or tax break or social safety net. That wealth tax needs be global, similar in implementation to the global minimum corporate tax, to prevent capital flight.

This tax achieves a similar outcome to unions, it makes the lives of regular workers better by reducing the number of hours they need to work and giving them options, which implicitly changes the bargaining power. But on net it has much less downsides than unions. And it's more future proof when AI starts making people unemployed, whether that happens now or in 20 years.

Re: Majority of workers at Mercedes plant in Alabama sign UAW authorization cards

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Good for them. Got to keep unions alive for that collective bargaining. Given the recent state court rulings in AL, I am honestly surprised Mercedes is even keeping the plant open.

It was a ~$600 million (2024 dollars) investment to build the plant and its economic footprint is about $1.5 billion a year.

No matter how MB management feels about Alabama and its laws, stockholders would hang 'em from lamposts if they shut down that plant on a whim.

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