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Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Yep. Apple dodged a very uncool bullet here. Now make an e-bike, Tim Apple.

What if, hear me out, the wheels were on the sides and not front and back. It uses gyroscopes to keep itself balanced. Instead of twisting the handle or pushing a button like a savage you lean in the direction you want to go! This is a totally new idea and not a product that was released over 20 years ago and since discontinued.

For a second there I thought you were talking about the IT bike from South Park.

https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/IT

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…

What you're looking for is 'Basic Premium'. I got that way after burning out on tech enthusiasm. Now I just want the best I can get of the things I need.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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Apple making cars was an interesting play when they had a bunch of cash overseas and good relationships with Chinese manufacturers. Tax law changes made bringing money back to the US less punishing, and manufacturing in China is becoming problematic.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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They are! All modern cars look like Transformers toys. With their stupid mean-face grills. Design is awful. I appreciate early cars when people didn't know what they should look like, and were just building all kinds of weird stuff. That awkwardness was charming. Now it's just generational pandering, and my generation is left out (apparently my generation is 1920's-1930's).

> mean-face grills I think by 2030 trucks will be about 6 feet of grill and a 6-inch eyeslit to see out of.

Ford & GM & Dodge will just release a consumer version of the M1 Abrams so the fantasy lived by these consumes can be fully and finally fulfilled.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…

Don’t forget about car windows with a crank.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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If anything Apple has been bringing buttons back, or innovating on them. Touch Bar was reverted to buttons. The iPhone Pro replaced a switch with a haptic feedback button (many Android phones simply have no equivalent button or switch.) Vision Pro got the “Digital Crown” from the Watch, which has that and a button rather than just a touchscreen. My guess is an Apple Car would have nice buttons and switches rather tha…

All my examples are current, and the list would've been much longer if it included their obsession with thinness on their previous set of laptops and phones. Anyway, I was trying to illustrate that Apple's obsession with minimalism has resulted in a very sterile and boring design language that wouldn't necessarily translate to success in the car world. Vehicles are considered very personal expressions of taste (Which…

> Vehicles are considered very personal expressions of taste...

And yet virtually every car is now a shade of grey and only people who truly care about cars can tell them apart?

https://www.consumerreports.org/consumerist/a-brief-history-...

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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> has anyone cared about net income in decades? Uh, you mean net income also known as "net profit"? So your question is effectively "has anyone cared about profit in decades?" Well... yes

i was being sarcastic. my fault. the joke is wework, theranos, snapchat, lyft...

Oh, sorry I missed it.

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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After having gone through decades of adopting the "latest and greatest" tech, I've gotten to the point where what I really want is the least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done. For a computer, I want something with SeaBIOS, a stripped-down kernel, and a handful of packages from the Debian Stable repository. I want it hackable and repairable -- something like a Framework. Nothing like a M…

A lot of people want (as you describe) the “least-complex thing I can find that does the essential job I want done” But what you then go on to describe is the antithesis of other people’s definitions. People want an experience that works out of the box. That they don’t have to think about package managers or maintenance. That’s low complexity for the vast majority of people. That’s why people are going for Apple and…

Tesla (and Apple) don't just work though. The latest Tesla issue I have is the navigation system which caches nothing and often takes 2-4-10 minutes before it updates the map WHILE I'M DRIVING and trying to find a new route. I end up having to take out my phone (more dangerous) and search there. This happened often in both SF and LA. Say you're driving, you want to zoom out a little to get some idea of where you need to be, which exits it's picked, etc. You zoom out and the tiles at that zoom level don't fill in for minutes. And, if you want to them to fill in you need to keep fingers on the screen, otherwise it auto-zooms back to the default level and throws away whatever data it started downloading. It's infuriatingly bad

Re: Apple to wind down electric car effort after decadelong odyssey

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There’s a difference in ability and desire. Why do a lot of technical people own iPhones and use Mac’s? It’s not because they can’t understand the technology and it’s not because they don’t like to tinker. It’s because they don’t want to carry that constant burden of thought with them. Maybe some do, but a lot of folks like the base state to be one where they can just chill.

> It’s because they don’t want to carry that constant burden of thought with them With me it's the thought of how it's going to prevent me from doing what I want because "it's not the Apple way" (but that applies to more than just apple). It's the main reason not to use those.

And that’s fair, and it’s important to always underscore that people have subjective preferences.

But the two people I responded to prior seemed to find it odd that others have a different set of goals.

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