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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by michaelmrose »

filleduchaos wrote: post #296
MyFedora wrote: post #235

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Nintendo lost out on future game and console sales from that person.

Can you really claim to be a future customer of a product when you can get and are getting the value the product provides without having to pay for it? It's funny to me how every time the topic of piracy comes up, the world suddenly becomes so full of people who totally like giving companies money out of the sheer goodness of their hearts. And then by next week when it's time for another post about how open source ma…

I have 112 paid PC games in my steam library and over the years I've owned 6 consoles as well as building or buying many gaming computers. I'm definitely in the market for games and machines to play them.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

borski wrote: post #62
johnny99k wrote: post #15

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This won't matter. The goal will be to run them out of money. It's an open source project and they most likely don't have the capital to fund any sort of lengthy lawsuit.

That’s where approaching someone like the EFF comes in.

Now would be their time to shine. I know they do plenty, but this would be a great time for them to show up.

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Post by justinclift »

xtracto wrote: post #290
fcsp wrote: post #222

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Why didn't Uber though? Is it just enough money to buy the right lobbyists and lawyers?

Uber got successfully shot down in my city in Campeche Mexico [1]. Mostly due to corruption between government and taxi owners. But hey, it's possible!. [1] https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2022/01/uber-could-be-return...

It's like that joke. Something about an honest politician being one who stays bought after you've given them money.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by a_vanderbilt »

aussieguy1234 wrote: post #278

This is unfortunate. The switch is probably coming to the end of its life soon. As soon as Nintendos next gen (announced or not) console is released, the switch will be a legacy system and emulation is important for archiving purposes. This does make it less likely that i'll be buying any Nintendo products in the future.

I suspect that the "Switch 2" is going to be like the GameCube -> Wii, where the hardware is backward compatible and largely just a faster version of the previous generation. Essentially being a suped-up Switch means Yuzu could immediately work much better with whatever they come out with next. I think that is why they are going after Yuzu now, to try and get ahead of another Dolphin situation occurring much earlier in the lifecycle. Should Nintendo get a favorable ruling, this would open a huge can of legal worms for the tech industry as a whole.

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Post by justinclift »

datbn wrote: post #251
codedokode wrote: post #95

> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

This is not a case of a company that does something massively useful but then does a (relatively to the size of the company) small illegal thing on the side. The whole raison d'etre of Tropic Haze LLC is to, allegedly, break the law.

Are you saying console emulation is only used for breaking the law?

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Post by frio »

catwoe wrote: post #219
tombert wrote: post #146

Yuzu is open source isn’t it? Nintendo can’t be completely incompetent here; if they get Yuzu shut down someone will inevitably fork it, and they have to know this. Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. They know that this lawsuit means nothing in itself, even if they win, but it can then be used to go after Retroarch or Higan or Mupen64 or Dolphin. This is bad.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around the need for an LLC. It's an open source project, why would you need a company?

Open Source doesn't necessarily mean free of charge, but even when it does (most of the time), plenty of people still choose to pay for open source products today (eg. Red Hat). A product being open source doesn't mean the people working on it shouldn't be paid somehow; in particular, Yuzu do early releases and other closed-source-ish things (which is one of the reasons Nintendo is able to bring something to court here).

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Post by 14 »

darkteflon wrote: post #233
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Are they really rare? I have an older switch that is easily hackable and can’t be blocked due to it being a hardware vulnerability but I have never bothered to hack it as I just don’t know if it is worth it. Not sure if you can continue to play online once hacked and I assume once hacked play pirated games as why else hack it. But I haven’t pirated games in a long time I wonder if it is worth it. What the switch really needs is a messaging app maybe hacked switches can do that idk.

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Post by frio »

atum47 wrote: post #180

It's unbelievable how much I loath Nintendo these days. Hard to believe I use to love them growing up. I got a Nintendo switch last year from Walmart. The f*ing came used (apparently someone in the store played some Zelda in it, put it back in the box and sold to me as new). Walmart said they couldn't do anything when I emailed them about the issue. Anyways, the switch came with no games. Nothing. Zero. So, naively I…

Nintendo Online is something like $33/year where I live; Xbox Games Pass (the version with actual games) is $263.40 (the version with a much more limited subset of games is $155.40).

I assume the price difference is similar in the USA; the two products -- at least to me -- seem quite clearly different.

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Post by pierat »

darkteflon wrote: post #233
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

https://github.com/PrincessAkira/road-to-yuzu-without-switch

Cause we all like Github.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #359

When the game isn't be sold any more, along with the console, emulation makes sense. But the switch emulation for at least 2 years now has been more than good enough to run games of a current gen system, and you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game. The emulator also requires Nintendo data they're not actually allowed to ship (there's a number of resources to download it…

> When the game isn't be sold any more, along with the console, emulation makes sense.

Emulation makes sense since day one. Frankly, good emulation is straight up better than the console. Accuracy is high and you get a lot more features. Truth is they should have released the games in this format to begin with but they insist on creating little digital fiefdoms with "exclusives" and DRM instead.

If anything doesn't make sense it's all this copyright nonsense which should be abolished.

> you're absolutely kidding yourself if you think any meaningful percentage own the game

Not really their problem. It's the players who are infringing copyright, not them.

> The emulator also requires Nintendo data they're not actually allowed to ship

That's called adversarial interoperability and it's required for the system to function.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interopera...

If anyone is to blame it's Nintendo for coming up with a system where it's impossible to not infringe on their precious "IP" while interoperating.

Just like Sega was blamed when it tried to work their trademarks into their "security systems" in order to deny their competitors their rights:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade

> The court's written opinion followed on October 20 and noted that the use of the software was non-exploitative, despite being commercial

> and that the trademark infringement, being required by the TMSS for a Genesis game to run on the system, was inadvertently triggered by a fair use act and the fault of Sega for causing false labeling

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