It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out. Yuzu on its own is just a generic ARM emulator, right? Hope they don’t start going after QEMU next.
no, it's not. it has to match the switch hardware virtually and also whatever the switch os is.
Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
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I feel like it would be a lot more straightforward if people just came out and said that they think piracy should be legal. Currently we have this weird mealy-mouthed roundabout discussions where people act ever so outraged at the idea that a tool or site is primarily used for piracy when anyone who's not hopelessly naïve recognizes that that's in fact what they're used for. At best we get comments like yours that ar…
> I feel like it would be a lot more straightforward if people just came out and said that they think piracy should be legal. I don't think Yuzu advocates are actually advocating piracy. I think they think an illegal use of a tool should not mean the tool is banned. "Emulators don't pirate games, pirates do." I think our echo chamber will surface views amenable to this viewpoint. Emulation news is quite literally hac…
I think you've phrased my point better than I did. What I meant was that to advocate for software like Yuzu to exist necessarily entails defending piracy, because outside of a tech echo chamber almost nobody is interested in an emulator existing for emulation's sake.
To illustrate what I mean...if credible stats were somehow collected and showed that 99% of Yuzu users were using it to run games they didn't pay for, I think plenty of judiciaries at that point would consider it a de facto pirating tool versus a tool that is incidentally used for piracy. If you think that this still doesn't mean that the project should be shut down or fined, then I think it's a lot more productive to advocate for such software to exist even if it's a pirating tool than to try to sell everyone on the idea that it's totally a minority that are using it as such. And I think that would require going back to the drawing board re: digital IP rights.
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not the best idea to try to get around lawsuits by simply staying anonymous. Nintendo can sue GitHub and you as a John Doe to compel GitHub to give up all info it has on you, like IP address access logs (which can then be used to compel your ISP to hand over their records on you).
In that scenario, why would you have connected to Github from any IPs that link to your identity?
Because perfect security is impossible and you only have to leak your real IP once - especially with committing to github it would be so easy for a tool or plugin to leak that.
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
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Depends on jurisdiction. In France and germany, it is totally legal, you are even allowed to acquire a backup through the internet if you so choose.
No it isn't. Where have you got any of those ideas from?
Are you suggesting that VLC is also now illegal across EU, in addition to the US ??
https://wiki.videolan.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions/#Is_lib...
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've read rumors, and it seems very plausible, that Nintendo's next console might be able to play Switch games at higher resolution and/or framerate.
That's probably the case (as I don't know what else would make it worth buying), but the ultimate problem with Nintendo will still remain. They're bullies and they get away with it because they make some of the most consistently high quality first party games. Microsoft took the plunge first, but everyone is realizing that the future is an open platform. Turns out if you make a quality game and make it widely availab…
Microsoft, open platform, what? With all that Trusted Computing and Pluton stuff?
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
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That doesn't make sense. Botw keeps like five autosaves and they're all separate files which are never written to at the same time. You'd have to manually delete them to lose them.
You can say it doesn't make sense... but the emulator crashed and my game was unrecoverable. I don't have the PC anymore but I know what I had happen.
Your yuzu/ryujinx installation could've become messed up and stopped looking in the right folder but your save files were still there and recoverable, I promise.
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like it would be a lot more straightforward if people just came out and said that they think piracy should be legal. Currently we have this weird mealy-mouthed roundabout discussions where people act ever so outraged at the idea that a tool or site is primarily used for piracy when anyone who's not hopelessly naïve recognizes that that's in fact what they're used for. At best we get comments like yours that ar…
>but still dance around the fact that being anti-DRM is being pro-piracy I think this is disingenuous, there's difference between being pro-piracy and against whatever inane terms publisher wants. There's argument that when you buy a game you can use it in any way you want, including playing it on different devices. Somewhat like first-sale doctrine.
I've clarified what I mean in a different comment[0]. But to speak to being anti-DRM in particular, I think it's either highly disingenuous or very naïve to argue that all or even anything close to a majority of people who are against DRM simply want to use digital media they've actually bought in any way that they want. It makes no sense to downplay the situation that led to the rise of DRM (and still persists today!) as if IP holders just one day decided to screw over their paying audiences for no reason. It's a lot more straightforward in my opinion to say you just don't care that people pirate games et al and/or that you don't consider it a real harm to an IP holder.
It's not as if anyone ever says or suggests anything to them when their works get pirated other than "it happens, sucks to be you" or even "have you tried pandering to the pirates so maybe a tiny percent of them will buy your work?" - so what then exactly is the point of piracy being illegal?
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
That case is in regards to a guardian figure who has some level of legal responsibility for the children in their care. In that case it makes sense to hold someone accountable for the actions of someone else because the person in question agreed to that when they became a guardian. Software developers should not be held liable for what their users do with the software unless the software itself does something illegal…
I haven't looked at Nintendo's materials, but I would think they were able to find enough evidence to get them past any preliminary dismissal motions, and get to discovery in which case Nintendo would likely get access to all communications and electronic files (read: source code). I think Nintendo would be banking that the Yuzu team likely had lax (if at anything) policies and processes for compliance to their publi…
Yuzu is free software, so its source code is already available: https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
The GP meant that they postulate a meaningful percentage within the scope of people who emulate don’t own the game they emulate.
and the implied assumption is that all those who did use the emulator without buying would've bought them.
Surely not all would have, but similarly not zero either. I think this is the real implied assumption.
Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's probably the case (as I don't know what else would make it worth buying), but the ultimate problem with Nintendo will still remain. They're bullies and they get away with it because they make some of the most consistently high quality first party games. Microsoft took the plunge first, but everyone is realizing that the future is an open platform. Turns out if you make a quality game and make it widely availab…
It's the difference between being a publisher/game developer and a hardware company. Hardware companies see games as a means to sell consoles. Game developers see platforms as a means to sell games. If you're coming at things from the perspective of a hardware maker it makes sense to be as restrictive as possible, since that provides the differentiation that sells your (overpriced) hardware. In addition, if your hard…
Is Nintendo even making money on the Switches themselves ?