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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by climb_stealth »

progbits wrote: post #188
WithinReason wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

Better as in much better framerate with no performance drops. At least that's what I've heard.

Pretty much all the games I have played allowed to disable the motion controls. I think it counts towards accessibility. Personally I really dislike the whole motion control aspect so always turn them off. Zelda included.

I'm sure there are other tradeoffs as well. But would love it see what it's like on an emulator. Or maybe not, it might make running games on the original hardware feel terrible :)

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by wernercd »

causality0 wrote: post #150
wernercd wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped emulating when my game crashed and I lost weeks of BotW. I moved back to the switch after that lol. Emulation was awesome. Until...

That doesn't make sense. Botw keeps like five autosaves and they're all separate files which are never written to at the same time. You'd have to manually delete them to lose them.

You can say it doesn't make sense... but the emulator crashed and my game was unrecoverable.

I don't have the PC anymore but I know what I had happen.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by fcsp »

fnimick wrote: post #234
fcsp wrote: post #222

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Why didn't Uber though? Is it just enough money to buy the right lobbyists and lawyers?

And enough usage in the general public to have "politician X will ban uber" be a negative campaign position. Same reason AirBnB works despite many laws to the contrary. If you get popular enough that the public will vote against people who threaten to enforce the law, out of a desire to keep using the product, you win. It's a race to get too big to be shut down.

Oh yeah, enough usage, which is another thing to throw capital at beyond lawyers and lobbyists. Tough to not get cynical sometimes.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by tombert »

catwoe wrote: post #219
tombert wrote: post #146

Yuzu is open source isn’t it? Nintendo can’t be completely incompetent here; if they get Yuzu shut down someone will inevitably fork it, and they have to know this. Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. They know that this lawsuit means nothing in itself, even if they win, but it can then be used to go after Retroarch or Higan or Mupen64 or Dolphin. This is bad.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around the need for an LLC. It's an open source project, why would you need a company?

IANAL, but if there's a risk of being sued by a big corporation because you're making a product that they believe is stealing from them, wouldn't it make sense to shield yourself personally from being sued?

Like, if I write a piece of software that does something innocuous, such as indexing files or something, then I probably wouldn't bother getting any kind of LLC, but I'm very unlikely to get sued over that. Nintendo, however, is famously litigious, has made their stance on emulation very clear, and has no problem going after individuals who dare to defy them. I think doing all the development through an LLC can limit Nintendo going after the individuals.

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Post by stonogo »

monocasa wrote: post #9
theultdev wrote: post #5

This is a pretty big case to watch. Are there any cases of emulators being sued successfully? A user being able to provide keys and a rom from which they could own or be homebrew doesn't seem to violate copyright to me. edit: seems the consensus is once via legal fund attrition, but the case went to the emulator authors in the end.

I don't believe so (the Sony v. Bleem cases mainly ended up in favor of Bleem), but also I don't think anyone has tried since the DMCA. It looks like Nintendo is taking a 'trafficking in circumvention device' legal strategy as opposed to a strictly anti-emulator legal strategy.

DMCA was in effect the year before Sony first sued Bleem -- and it's notable that Bleem mostly won the lawsuits, but legal fees bankrupted them anyway.

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Post by ls612 »

redder23 wrote: post #304
EMIRELADERO wrote: post #275

A ton of people seem to think the DMCA is the end of Yuzu, but I believe it's actually its salvation, particularily Section 1201(f): (1)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying…

GitHub created this defense fund after they came after youtube-dl. Not very Micro$oft, but they will probably help when it comes to that, but so far they did not file for DMCA takedown in GitHub. Maybe they did and Gihub changed the rules and requires some court judgement to take things down first?

Small nit, they did file a DMCA takedown, MS took it down at first, then reinstated it a week or so later with a message basically saying "sue us we dare you". The issue at stake was a different one though (whether youtube's URL scheme counted as a technological access control).

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Post by enriquec »

devit wrote: post #298
filleduchaos wrote: post #248

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> Also it seems to me that Nintendo might themselves violate antitrust laws by using their monopoly power on market of Nintendo-compatible games, and not allowing enough competition there. Nintendo is being a bully here, but what on earth does a monopoly on the market of your own platform even mean?

- Nintendo Switch hardware only runs Nintendo Switch OS -> Nintendo monopoly on Switch OSes - Nintendo Switch OS only runs on Nintendo Switch hardware -> Nintendo monopoly on Switch OS hardware - Nintendo Switch hardware and OS only run officially licensed Nintendo game -> Nintendo monopoly on games for Nintendo Switch and OS games - Nintendo Switch games only run on Nintendo Switch -> Nintendo monopoly on hardware t…

you don't know what a monopoly is

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Post by zacmps »

hraedon wrote: post #269
filleduchaos wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also it seems to me that Nintendo might themselves violate antitrust laws by using their monopoly power on market of Nintendo-compatible games, and not allowing enough competition there. Nintendo is being a bully here, but what on earth does a monopoly on the market of your own platform even mean?

This is the theory that people (on HN and elsewhere) have used to argue that Apple's App Store represents a monopoly that should be broken up. It makes no more sense here than it does in that context.

It absolutely makes sense viewed through the lens of early 2000s antitrust cases (esp. those against Microsoft).

The landscape has obviously changed since, but not for any good reason in my opinion.

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Post by fcsp »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #293
fcsp wrote: post #222

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Why didn't Uber though? Is it just enough money to buy the right lobbyists and lawyers?

Read the Uber Files. Uber is on record for lobbying the most powerful governments on Earth. Macron for example was on first name terms with Uber. Also, Uber had systems to prevent the police from seeing incriminating data during police raids. Basically, Uber had powerful allies and was willing to do illegal things. That's the difference between Uber and the other apps that got shut down for breaking the law

And yet, it took them a veeeery long time and a looot of money to post a quarter profit, not to mention making up for all the outside investment

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Post by [deleted] »

catwoe wrote: post #219
tombert wrote: post #146

Yuzu is open source isn’t it? Nintendo can’t be completely incompetent here; if they get Yuzu shut down someone will inevitably fork it, and they have to know this. Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. They know that this lawsuit means nothing in itself, even if they win, but it can then be used to go after Retroarch or Higan or Mupen64 or Dolphin. This is bad.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around the need for an LLC. It's an open source project, why would you need a company?

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