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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by rincebrain »

Kirby64 wrote: post #169
garaetjjte wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, releasing patch before official launch sort of proves they pirated the game themselves, which somewhat undermines defense that they don't encourage piracy.

Not necessarily. I don't know the context, but bugs/issues reported from users may have been sufficient to patch their code without touching the ROM themselves.

If you read their writeup about fixing the game, the issues appear to stem from it heavily using a texture format that most GPUs don't support natively and almost no games having done much with that texture format before, so losslessly reencoding them was eating truly astonishing amounts of VRAM to avoid load time issues, and they reworked a bunch of memory management things to make it playable without 12G+ of VRAM.

I don't know if there were any other issues, but at least on that one, it doesn't seem like they needed deep knowledge of the game to try reworking it.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by faaarmer »

progbits wrote: post #208
mplewis wrote: post #196

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You can play them at a higher resolution and frame rate than Switch supports. Steam Deck supports accelerometer control as well.

Huh, TIL. Thanks!

In some cases. In other cases they run worse on Steam Deck, notably Tears of the Kingdom.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by iAMkenough »

favorited wrote: post #177
michaelmrose wrote: post #84

If anything this lawsuit makes it difficult to morally justify purchasing Nintendo hardware and supporting them. Having really enjoyed the first Zelda game on an emulator I would otherwise have really considered it.

So you played their game on an emulator, and you "would otherwise have really considered" paying for their products (but you didn't). How are they losing out by alienating you?

Just my take, but they've ensured the Switch and games I bought from them will be the last. I prefer to use my hardware keys and game carts on PC for higher resolution.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by teeray »

causality0 wrote: post #194
teeray wrote: post #74

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I really wish our system had some kind of financial handicap when it came to access to the legal system. Weaponizing the legal system to bankrupt people that would be found Not Guilty shouldn't be possible.

Losing a lawsuit should make you liable for the opponent's legal funds up to the same amount you spent on yours.

Yeah, but when cases take years you can run into cash flow issues, even if you might ultimately prevail.

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Post by Sabinus »

sergiotapia wrote: post #195
andy_ppp wrote: post #154

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I can play Switch games on Steam Deck!?

Yes, and it runs really well and is very easy to launch and play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW4y8juFkOI Of course not as easy as just buying the game outright and putting in the cartridge.

Downloading a file and putting in on a Steam Deck seems easier than working for ~3 hours then purchasing a Nintendo game.

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Post by WithinReason »

darkteflon wrote: post #233
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Yes, if you want to do it legally.

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Post by hraedon »

filleduchaos wrote: post #248
codedokode wrote: post #95

> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

> Also it seems to me that Nintendo might themselves violate antitrust laws by using their monopoly power on market of Nintendo-compatible games, and not allowing enough competition there. Nintendo is being a bully here, but what on earth does a monopoly on the market of your own platform even mean?

This is the theory that people (on HN and elsewhere) have used to argue that Apple's App Store represents a monopoly that should be broken up. It makes no more sense here than it does in that context.

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Post by Analemma_ »

dheera wrote: post #256
justinclift wrote: post #170

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Yeah, it's a pretty stark illustration of "we have enough money to fuck you up, and are very willing to do so". "Might makes right" in action. Your monopoly point is an interesting one. Wonder if there's an actual legal case there, as Nintendo have done a lot of this bullying over the years.

I'd love to start a country with no extradition treaties that is a safe harbor for companies like this.

If you don't agree to a bunch of treaties around IP protection, you will find yourself frozen out of many free trade agreements and mostly unable to import or export anything except at crushing cost.
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