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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

No, the SteamDeck gyro works too

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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This is a pretty big case to watch. Are there any cases of emulators being sued successfully? A user being able to provide keys and a rom from which they could own or be homebrew doesn't seem to violate copyright to me. edit: seems the consensus is once via legal fund attrition, but the case went to the emulator authors in the end.

This won't matter. The goal will be to run them out of money. It's an open source project and they most likely don't have the capital to fund any sort of lengthy lawsuit.

> The goal will be to run them out of money.

They're already making $30k/month on patreon and you can easily foresee that this legal action will cause a call to arms for even greater funding, if that was indeed their goal they could have targeted the much smaller ryujinx and set a precedent.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I have to admit. I am using it a lot. And my 8 and 4 year old sons as well. We do have a switch with some games. But the pc with the Yuzu emulator can play many games in 4k 60hz. Only possible since the nvidia 40 series. The games load faster and its easier to install cheats. Its time for Nintendo to release a new switch. One that can only be emulated once the 6080ti is out.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

Anyone can sue anyone for any reason at any time. Unless the lawsuit is in bad faith and meritless (only a court can make that determination), there is no argument to be had about "lawfare". The only difference here and in other companies is that Nintendo actually follows through with their legal threats instead of just filing complaints they don't intend to take to court.

If we don't like companies abusing their power, we can complain and decide not to buy the products of companies doing that sort of thing, and support their competitors. There's only so far courts takes you, for a consumer company the real trial is most definitely in the public court of opinion.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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> Nintendo has no leg to stand on legally speaking, and there's a precedent waiting to happen. IANAL, but my understanding is that while emulation is unambiguously legal in the US after Bleem vs. Sony, an emulator which decrypts games is maybe not legal under the DMCA circumvention rules, and those have never really been tested in the context of an emulator. The Bleem case happened shortly after the DMCA was enacted,…

Nah, there's no circumvention here, on Yuzu's part. There may be parties involved in circumvention, but the emulator neither aids nor publishes any aid for that. The emulator REQUIRES a user to first have a legitimate copy. If the user illegally obtained that copy, they didn't obtain it via Yuzu, and they didn't use Yuzu to get around the encryption that is in the file. The emulator is just using the key on the file,…

> but the emulator neither aids nor publishes any aid for that.

Page 17 of the actual court document indicates otherwise: https://www.scribd.com/document/709016504/Nintendo-of-Americ...

> The current iteration of YUZU-EMU.ORG does not feature a live link to Lockpick—which had been hosted on GitHub—because recent enforcement action by Nintendo alerting GitHub to the illegal nature of the software caused GitHub to takedown and delist Lockpick. However, since that time, in Yuzu’s Discord server and elsewhere, Defendant’s agents have been referring users to a different website (RENA21.GITHUB.IO/YUZU-WIKI/) which does feature a live link to Lockpick.

Note that I am explicitly not weighing in on legality or anything, merely pointing out your wording is at odds with the document/allegations themselves.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I knew that Patreon would bite them some day. Any time money comes into a "offensive" open source project, whoever feels they are getting hurt can make a claim a lot easier. Somewhat surprised they haven't yet sued Ryujinx (the other Switch emulator project) for also having a Patreon.

Making money is not a factor for fair use, but one factor is whether it’s a for-profit endeavor; you can be making money to fund an operation without doing so for profit. And even then, courts haven’t been too concerned with that aspect when other aspects are clearly met.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Yuzu has amazing compatibility. I'm guessing it's getting too good for Nintendo. Their concerns with TotK are not without merit. I played it on Yuzu (on PC) because it was a much better experience than on the switch. Within a few days of the game being out, there were resolution and fps patches which made the game run much better. That said, I'm not sure how Yuzu can be blamed for TotK piracy. Guessing Nintendo is th…

i also played TotK on Yuzu because of performance reasons I would've paid full price to play the game on my deck natively, but Nintendo doesn't consider the PC market worth entering it seems

It's a shame considering how well the game looks with a good GPU:

https://youtu.be/g2a5PmIhryA?si=OZJMc2IRCCgLMVBY&t=82

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

You can play them at a higher resolution and frame rate than Switch supports. Steam Deck supports accelerometer control as well.

Huh, TIL. Thanks!

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

Hey, let's be fair; those copyright infringement laws also only protect corporations!

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Speculating here but it feels like part of Nintendo's beef is the popularity of PC form factors that look like a Nintendo Switch. Most notably the Steam Deck but there are loads of them. In 2022 Nintendo starting taking down Youtube videos showing Steam Decks running Switch games: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-started-blocking-v... And last year went after Dolphin (GCN/Wii emulator) as soon as they announ…

I mean Valve literally had a trailer with a nintendo emulator as an app installed... Valve doesn't need to do RND for its games because they can just use whatever is on steam that is playable on the deck plus a ton of games from nintendo consoles via emulators as a selling point.

Nintendo could do the exact same thing if they made their platforms open like Steam does. That the switch is limited to only Switch games is entirely a choice they made because their whole existence they've been all about proprietary and locked down.
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