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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by alickz »

deelowe wrote: post #98
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not part of that scene, but I am sympathetic to emulation. Is there a notable difference between Yuzu and other switch emulators? I wonder if there are other reasons than Patreon ( money changing hands ) or there were other considerations?

Yuzu has amazing compatibility. I'm guessing it's getting too good for Nintendo. Their concerns with TotK are not without merit. I played it on Yuzu (on PC) because it was a much better experience than on the switch. Within a few days of the game being out, there were resolution and fps patches which made the game run much better. That said, I'm not sure how Yuzu can be blamed for TotK piracy. Guessing Nintendo is th…

i also played TotK on Yuzu because of performance reasons

I would've paid full price to play the game on my deck natively, but Nintendo doesn't consider the PC market worth entering it seems

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by kelseyfrog »

theultdev wrote: post #115
kelseyfrog wrote: post #110

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I always wondered what would happen if litigants and defendants could contribute to a common legal fund which would equally fund their attorneys. It would at maximum make litigation twice as expensive which may be worth it alone.

If it's twice as expensive then the defendants would run out of money sooner right? You would have to somehow set a limit of legal expenses, which seems... difficult. You would have to win to get the common fund, you may not get that far if you have to pay into the fund and amount a defense.

There might be a miscommunication.

The litigants and defendants would not be compelled to contribute equal amounts. Just the disbursement would be equal.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by denkmoon »

kevingadd wrote: post #123
Brainspackle wrote: post #116

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It took me 15 minutes from downloading Yuzu to playing Mario Kart on my PC. You're doing something wrong

Did you start from the Yuzu documentation? I installed it and walked through their official quick start guide. I didn't type "mario kart free rom" into google or anything.

That's the "legal" way, dumping your own copy of horizon OS, your console's keys, your carts and their keys. Of course it's quicker and easier to just download someone else's keys and dumps, and you're not protecting yourself from Nintendo by using your own stuff, you just get the peace of mind knowing it's your stuff you're using.

It's also very quick if you're already set up with atmosphere & homebrew. Longest part was just waiting for my console's nand to dump.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by theultdev »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #132
theultdev wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's twice as expensive then the defendants would run out of money sooner right? You would have to somehow set a limit of legal expenses, which seems... difficult. You would have to win to get the common fund, you may not get that far if you have to pay into the fund and amount a defense.

There might be a miscommunication. The litigants and defendants would not be compelled to contribute equal amounts. Just the disbursement would be equal.

Then why would the litigants contribute in the first place?

If nothing compels them to, they won't, so effectively the status quo.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by bitwize »

realusername wrote: post #79
Springtime wrote: post #14

> The legal document claims that over a million copies of last year's The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom were downloaded prior to the game's official retail release. As a result, the company is now seeking damages and is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. Quite the leap from existing as an emulator to inexplicably being held liable for some independent leak.

There's actually multiple arguments with zero proof there. - they didn't prove that Yuzu contributed to piracy (and since the amount of piracy tools on the Switch itself that's far from obvious that Yuzu is a first choice) - they didn't prove that the leak itself lead to a loss of revenue. And that's also very hard of an argument to make considering that this game was a huge commercial success.

If a device's only use involves copyright infringement, it's illegal to sell or distribute in the USA. That's how they went after cable descramblers and, less successfully, VCRs in the 80s.

Since getting actual Switch game data necessarily involves violating the DMCA, Nintendo's lawyers will have an easy time showing that the only way yuzu can be useful is if the user violates copyright law, thus making the emulator itself illegal.

That is if this even makes it to court.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Solvency »

teeray wrote: post #74
johnny99k wrote: post #15

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This won't matter. The goal will be to run them out of money. It's an open source project and they most likely don't have the capital to fund any sort of lengthy lawsuit.

I really wish our system had some kind of financial handicap when it came to access to the legal system. Weaponizing the legal system to bankrupt people that would be found Not Guilty shouldn't be possible.

Easy. The defendant and plaintiffs each hire and pay for lawyers they can or are willing to afford.

But all of that money goes into a prize pot, which gets distributed based on who wins the case.

This would ensure either Nintendo doesn't try to financially grind out a poor small company because the loss would not be worth it to them.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by phone8675309 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #7
robbiet480 wrote: post #3

I knew that Patreon would bite them some day. Any time money comes into a "offensive" open source project, whoever feels they are getting hurt can make a claim a lot easier. Somewhat surprised they haven't yet sued Ryujinx (the other Switch emulator project) for also having a Patreon.

I am not part of that scene, but I am sympathetic to emulation. Is there a notable difference between Yuzu and other switch emulators? I wonder if there are other reasons than Patreon ( money changing hands ) or there were other considerations?

> Is there a notable difference between Yuzu and other switch emulators?

It's Nintendo. They sue everybody.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jamesear »

The only comment of someone saying they had used Yuzu for piracy has been flagged, and is no longer visible.

This might HN readers a skewed perspective on how much Yuzu is used for piracy.

I have many acquaintances/friends in different circles, with the means to pay, who use Yuzu for piracy.

There are dedicated forums of people who coordinate on how to do this.

Emulation is great as a means to study or play backups, but its also fair that Nintendo has legitimate business interest in curtailing this.

IANAL, and have no idea how their case against Yuzu developers will go.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Acrobatic_Road »

gamepsys wrote: post #55
Feorn wrote: post #36

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I think ROM sites were an artifact of the internet speeds we had access to early on. Where it wasn't practical to just download an entire library for an older console. Downloading an N64 ROM over dialup still took a little longer than an mp3, whole collections of them were out of the question. Even early broadband in many areas was limited to speeds where a single ROM was more practical to download. Complete ROM coll…

Downloading entire ROM collections quickly becomes too much data for local storage, starting with Saturn/PS1 and escalating from there.

You don't need to do this. I bought a 1TB sd card because I heard that was enough space to store every retro game up to n64. I ended up copying over a small hand-picked selection of games rather than the full romset. We need some people to keep copies of the full romsets for the sake of preservation, but typical users only want certain, popular games.
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