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Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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iconic -- executed according to a convention or tradition (reference.com) Isn't the whole idea of updating traditions a little silly. They're traditions. We don't follow them because they make sense. We follow them because the people before us followed them. 100 years from now we'll still need a symbol to conceptualize saving something. The other ones might go away but we'll probably still need to save our work. I ex…

Absolutely, icons are... iconic. The whole point is that we know what they mean, not they are a literal representation of the object or concept being designated.

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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The problem is that if we modernized most of our iconography, a heck of a lot of things won't be able to be represented simply with something distinctive enough. This is largely due to what I'll call the merging of things into the same form largely driven by computing. For example... Icon for a phone - rectangular screen Icon for a TV - rectangular screen Icon for a tablet - rectangular screen Icon for a camera - rec…

Exactly, I suspect there is nothing we can replace it with. A TV with rabbit ears will always be a TV - perhaps a hundred years from now?

This "nothing we can replace it with" sounded wrong to me, so I spent a moment trying to quickly draw on my tablet some possible alternate metaphors for many of the things used in this article, and I came up with these:

http://drostie.org/icons.png

(Disclaimer: my ability to draw is very limited so this looks unintentionally minimalist, because my "boxes" are just squares.)

You could have some convention which says, say, "the present file is a sort of ball or rounded object, the filesystem is a box where we can put our balls, the clipboard is some sort of stack of stuff," and so forth. Phones could look more like mobiles do now, if you put them in a bit of perspective and gave them a keypad. Rather than using the page for a generic document, we have the ball for that purpose, so we use the page instead to indicate printing, since you're converting the ball into a piece of paper.

I think wrenches, magnifying glasses, and binoculars can stay as iconic things -- but since people now use magnifying glasses for "zoom" we should perhaps stabilize on binoculars for "search"/"find". (And come on, I'm not Sherlock Holmes. I'm not trying to find a clue, I'm trying to find last night's homework.)

Email is much trickier; if we don't keep using envelopes, I don't know how we would iconify that.

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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It's not just icons. Phrases are the same. I'll bet many people here have never heard a broken record, but still have heard the phrase "sounds like a broken record."

I think the phrase "broken record" is used more when referring to someone repeating themselves over and over again.

What do they call it if it is a sportsperson repeatedly regaling stories of their "fastest of all time athletic performance".

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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The problem is that if we modernized most of our iconography, a heck of a lot of things won't be able to be represented simply with something distinctive enough. This is largely due to what I'll call the merging of things into the same form largely driven by computing. For example... Icon for a phone - rectangular screen Icon for a TV - rectangular screen Icon for a tablet - rectangular screen Icon for a camera - rec…

Not only that. We appear to be far better at learning the meaning of new unknown symbols than one would expect. Anecdotal evidence: when I first encountered a floppy icon, its purpose wasn't obvious to me at all, despite I've already used a floppy before. See the Chinese writing example in this thread as well. Apparently, prior knowledge of the real-world object doesn't affect usability as much as other visual featur…

"2) icon design business is going to profit."

Yeah!

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember some instances of paste being an icon of an actual jar of paste.

I'm 32, and I'm not completely sure what an actual jar of paste is. I've certainly never seen one. Logically, I'm presuming it's used as a paper adhesive (like wallpaper paste). I'd use the verb "to glue". So "copy and paste" or "copy and glue". How does pasting go with copying? I copy something to the clipboard (...whatever) and then copy it from the clipboard to my document. How is that like gluing something? It re…

I'm the same age and I remember paste. More commonly we had rubber cement, do you remember that?

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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post #83

Not that the floppy disk being used as a Save icon was actually floppy, of course.

They had flexible cardboard cases once and were 8 inches across, so they were floppy originally as opposed to removable disc packs which had rigid platters. They were still called floppy discs when they stared appearing in smaller rigid plastic cases because the old ones were still commonplace and it reminded people they were the same thing.

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

#209
It doesn't matter what the icons look like as long as they are different enough from each other to be recognizable.

Someone who hasn't used a computer before isn't going to know that a floppy disk icon means save, even if they have seen a one before and know what it is used for. For all they know it's means open a file.

Re: Old People Icons That Don't Make Sense Anymore

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post #98

Makes me wonder how old the author is. Reminds me of an anecdote I read about an elementary school that had a rotary phone for the kids to use well after digital phones were the norm. The kids had to be taught how to use it. One child ultimately concluded it was not too different from a digital phone though it was real slow. Reminds me of my standard flippant remark to my sons when they were growing up: "When I was a…

I'm 39. The post was written in brief lunchtime fit of get of my lawn. :)

I will be 47 in June ...and I have a condition with a life expectancy in the thirties. In human years, that makes me the equivalent of about an 85 year old. So get off my lawn already, you young whippersnapper!!

(More sinecerely: Thanks for responding.)

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