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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by spacebanana7 »

actualwitch wrote: post #58
fuoqi wrote: post #10

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So in this thread we have one person claiming out of nowhere that one attack on underwater infrastructure is definitely a false flag, and you are claiming that another one is definitely not a false flag, all without a shred of evidence. How is this any better than just piping llm outputs directly to comment box? This sort of discussion is worthless.

I find it quite interesting - these discussions show that underwater warfare is much more like cyber warfare than air/land/surface sea. Attribution is genuinely difficult.

Conclusive evidence is scarce. And to the extent it exists we're stuck with sources that aren't impartial.

Arguments about motives & rationality add some value, but they don't create broad consensus.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by dboreham »

westmeal wrote: post #90
zmgsabst wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

What is a TLA? Never heard of that before.

Three Letter Acronym

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

westmeal wrote: post #90
zmgsabst wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

What is a TLA? Never heard of that before.

Three Letter Acronym.

The US has a bunch of agencies whose names are TLAs. The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, FCC, etc.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by stevenAthompson »

lm28469 wrote: post #64
stevenAthompson wrote: post #40

What did they hope to accomplish by making the world slightly worse?

People at war causing damage to the infrastructure of their enemy isn't that surprising really

I don't have a deep understanding of the politics of the region. The reason I asked was I hoped that someone with a better understanding would explain it.

However, I don't see how making the internet a little slower between Africa, Europe, and India really hurt "the enemy".

Perhaps it's just that I don't know who "the enemy" is. If we accept that the Houthis are responsible this action would make it seem like the Houthis actually have grievances with the majority of the non-Houthis world.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by uyzstvqs »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

If the internet were to go down, experts (perhaps like yourself) would definitely work on building local IP networks for their local communities. The cool thing is that with P2P tech like BitTorrent, you can have edge nodes connected to multiple such networks at once. Edge nodes can then download a torrent from one network, then seed it on all connected networks.

Wireless mesh networking also exists but is complex, unreliable, slow and high-latency. Not to mention there isn't an established standard like there is IP/TCP/UDP.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by stevenAthompson »

ynniv wrote: post #63
Majestic121 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article, "they" obviously implies the Houthis

If you want to understand why something happened, you'll need to look a lot deeper than that. Asking why the Houthis would cut a cable is accepting the assumption that they did.

You will note that I did not, in fact, ask about "the Houthis". I feel like your issue is not with my question. It is with a strawman that only you can perceive.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by maaaaattttt »

zmgsabst wrote: post #75
maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

Thank you, a wireless mesh network seems to be the broad name of what I had in mind. You seem to hint at the fact that they are illegal? Or do you mean they are heavily regulated? If it's the case it'd strange as any online private community could be considered a wireless mesh network. Maybe that's the case but there are too many...

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by maaaaattttt »

mbreese wrote: post #86
maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

If you’re okay with just text communications, the meshtastic project is also an option. Because it uses LoRa for communications, nodes can be further apart. As a bonus, it allows for encrypted [1] communications as it doesn’t use licensed spectrum. But, LoRa is a low bandwidth technology (or at least meshstatic is), so text is about all you’d get. But it works with pretty cheap components. [1] I’m not sure if the alg…

This is what I had in mind, I guess using simply wifi, the critical mass needed to have a correct network would be too big. And very locally limited.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by RegnisGnaw »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #94
lm28469 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People at war causing damage to the infrastructure of their enemy isn't that surprising really

I don't have a deep understanding of the politics of the region. The reason I asked was I hoped that someone with a better understanding would explain it. However, I don't see how making the internet a little slower between Africa, Europe, and India really hurt "the enemy". Perhaps it's just that I don't know who "the enemy" is. If we accept that the Houthis are responsible this action would make it seem like the Hou…

They are angry at Europe for supporting Israel.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Izkata »

Havoc wrote: post #46
thinkingemote wrote: post #35

In neal stephensons 1996 classic wired article Mother Earth Mother Board theres a bit in there about why cables are not attacked. "There is also the obvious threat of sabotage by a hostile government, but, surprisingly, this almost never happens. When cypherpunk Doug Barnes was researching his Caribbean project, he spent some time looking into this, because it was exactly the kind of threat he was worried about in th…

It’s not like a nuclear war because it’s easy to blame it on a dragging ship Anker or whatever.

(psst the weight the hangs from ships is "anchor")

I'm assuming that was autocorrect because it was capitalized too.

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