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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by ynniv »

bee_rider wrote: post #72
ynniv wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is "they"? Cite your sources and show your work.

Do you have an objection to the theory proposed in the article we’re already discussing?

Yes, the article doesn't even attempt to provide evidence:

Three months after the Houthis began attacking merchant ships, the Yemenite rebels have carried out another one of their threats. "Globes" has learned that four submarine communication cables have been damaged in the Red Sea between Jeddah in Saudi Arabia and Djibouti in East Africa.

It's their prerogative to publish whatever they like, and it's our prerogative to believe what we like, but if you want to actually understand something you'll need to be more rigorous than that.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by aaron695 »

thinkingemote wrote: post #35

In neal stephensons 1996 classic wired article Mother Earth Mother Board theres a bit in there about why cables are not attacked. "There is also the obvious threat of sabotage by a hostile government, but, surprisingly, this almost never happens. When cypherpunk Doug Barnes was researching his Caribbean project, he spent some time looking into this, because it was exactly the kind of threat he was worried about in th…

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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by H8crilA »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #74
vidarh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a couple of differences: 1. the sheer number of cables today makes an individual - or even several - cuts far less dramatic. 2. there's likely still a perceived difference between a nation-state being seen to openly take responsibility for cutting cables, and terrorist groups doing so. It's still an interesting chang (and everyone should read Mother Earth Mother Board), and you're probably still right it wi…

Re 2: The Houthis hold enough territory to be considered a nation-state (or at least a pseudo-nation-state) rather than just a terrorist group.

And it's not just Houthi (i.e. Ansar Allah), they have a government of sorts that is a coalition of more parties. We should probably accept the reality that they are just the same as the old North Yemen.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by ynniv »

pjc50 wrote: post #69
ynniv wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to understand why something happened, you'll need to look a lot deeper than that. Asking why the Houthis would cut a cable is accepting the assumption that they did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68231945 (note date)

Could the Houthis sabotage these lines? They almost certainly would if they could.

... but they can't so they shan't? Lol, a bit light on reasoning.

"There is nothing I've seen in the Iranian orbat (Order of Battle) that could touch these cables, certainly not their submarines," says former Royal Navy Cdr Tom Sharpe. "Diving is an option but it's deep and busy so I think it would be pushing it," he says. Concurring with Rear Adm Gower, Cdr Sharpe says: "I think this is a bluff."

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"In conclusion, the threat made recently by the Houthis on their Telegram channel would be hard to carry out. It would be both technically challenging and politically risky for Iran, whose hand the West sees in all the Houthi attacks in the Red Sea."

Wait, which side is this arguing?

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by mbreese »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

If you’re okay with just text communications, the meshtastic project is also an option. Because it uses LoRa for communications, nodes can be further apart. As a bonus, it allows for encrypted [1] communications as it doesn’t use licensed spectrum. But, LoRa is a low bandwidth technology (or at least meshstatic is), so text is about all you’d get. But it works with pretty cheap components.

[1] I’m not sure if the algorithm has been vetted or not.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by bigfishrunning »

zmgsabst wrote: post #75
maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

Ham radio is kind of the only (legal) option for any kind of range. Everyone should get a license and practice up.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by zmgsabst »

actualwitch wrote: post #58
fuoqi wrote: post #10

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So in this thread we have one person claiming out of nowhere that one attack on underwater infrastructure is definitely a false flag, and you are claiming that another one is definitely not a false flag, all without a shred of evidence. How is this any better than just piping llm outputs directly to comment box? This sort of discussion is worthless.

This would be claiming that it is a false flag:

The US blew up a Russian-German pipeline and then blamed Russia.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by westmeal »

zmgsabst wrote: post #75
maaaaattttt wrote: post #71

Maybe too tangential, but here is my question anyways: Is there a project that tries to build (using Raspberry Pis for example, or an app on a smartphone) a second global network of privately run nodes. The most similar project I can think of was the Fon project [1] where you would purchase a Fon box and share internet access with all other Fon users. Sort of an organised wifi hotspot club. But, what I'm thinking abo…

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

What is a TLA? Never heard of that before.
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