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Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by toomuchtodo »

rafram wrote: post #38
dhaavi wrote: post #7

> And since my amount is too large, they offer to discount to 5%, which means I still need to pay 5 thousand dollars. If they just reduce to 5% like that, it shows how disconnected this is from their real bandwidth cost. Really does feel like a scam.

Eh, I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the case. AWS support, for example, tends to be really good about waiving charges for things that are clearly your mistake, like an unused instance that you forgot to turn off for a couple months. That’s not because hosting instances doesn’t actually cost Amazon anything! It’s because they want to keep you as a customer even if it loses them a bit of money right now. In the Netli…

Our AWS TAM says they don’t do this anymore, and we spend tens of millions of dollars with them annually. n=1, ymmv

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by apsurd »

jefozabuss wrote: post #47
apsurd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://render.com/ is free for static sites with custom domain support and SSL included. been happy so far! used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age.

Just something to keep in mind: this also has about half of additional bandwidth costs (above 100GB) of the reddit post, so in your case you'd be billed for ~$57k or so with similar DDOS. At least they seem to provide monitoring/alerts based on their Security page.

thanks for the heads up, need to do my due diligence here.

edit: refreshing that they highlight baked in ddos protection right up front on their marketing site: https://docs.render.com/ddos-protection

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by PaoloBarbolini »

Lammy wrote: post #54
jzebedee wrote: post #13

The most bizarre thing is that this is a known issue that folks have asked them for ways to mitigate, to no avail. The reddit thread even links to an extremely weird dialogue where Netlify's response boils down to, "if you're hosting a small site that gets DDoS'd, don't." https://answers.netlify.com/t/limit-bandwidth-to-avoid-high-...

https://www.netlify.com/security/ sez “Active DDoS mitigation — Netlify monitors for traffic pattern anomalies and spikes, and effectively controls for them as needed” and now I'm curious about what that actually means .

It means they protect themselves from layer 3 and 4 DDoS. For layer 7 you're mostly on your own. That's what most companies mean when they talk about DDoS anyway.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by Johnny555 »

rafram wrote: post #38
dhaavi wrote: post #7

> And since my amount is too large, they offer to discount to 5%, which means I still need to pay 5 thousand dollars. If they just reduce to 5% like that, it shows how disconnected this is from their real bandwidth cost. Really does feel like a scam.

Eh, I wouldn’t say that’s necessarily the case. AWS support, for example, tends to be really good about waiving charges for things that are clearly your mistake, like an unused instance that you forgot to turn off for a couple months. That’s not because hosting instances doesn’t actually cost Amazon anything! It’s because they want to keep you as a customer even if it loses them a bit of money right now. In the Netli…

That’s not because hosting instances doesn’t actually cost Amazon anything

Except it doesn't cost them anything. The marginal cost of keeping your single instance running is $0 (unless they were 100% out of capacity and they could have sold that instance to someone else either at full price or spot price)

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by chronogram »

triyambakam wrote: post #2

So if I want to migrate off of netlify to something better, where?

For personal servers you can use the dynamic DNS feature on your modem in combination with Cloudflare if you like doing it at home, if it's for your business you can see if you can afford the €2 per month for Hetzner managed hosting or your local equivalent.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by SXX »

apsurd wrote: post #15
triyambakam wrote: post #2

So if I want to migrate off of netlify to something better, where?

https://render.com/ is free for static sites with custom domain support and SSL included. been happy so far! used to use s3 for the longest time, but aside from costing a nominal fee, it's so unnecessarily complicated in this day and age.

Keep in mind that according to their forum you'll be charged $30/100GB for bandwidth over free allowance of 100GB:

https://community.render.com/t/confused-about-the-free-tier/...

> Exceeding allotted Bandwidth does result in automatic overage charges. $30 for additional 100 GB blocks.

So the same shady pracrice as on Netlify.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by serial_dev »

Lammy wrote: post #54
jzebedee wrote: post #13

The most bizarre thing is that this is a known issue that folks have asked them for ways to mitigate, to no avail. The reddit thread even links to an extremely weird dialogue where Netlify's response boils down to, "if you're hosting a small site that gets DDoS'd, don't." https://answers.netlify.com/t/limit-bandwidth-to-avoid-high-...

https://www.netlify.com/security/ sez “Active DDoS mitigation — Netlify monitors for traffic pattern anomalies and spikes, and effectively controls for them as needed” and now I'm curious about what that actually means .

It means that they will charge you 20k (a year's rent for me, no biggie) instead of 100k for your free website, or 5k if you got lucky.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by lettergram »

If it’s a static website; use GitHub to host and put behind cloudflare.

If you need a nice front end, spin up a Wordpress instance with a provider like digital ocean or vultr or any other number of places. It’s like $5-10/ month and has terabyte bandwidth without issue typically.

Then put the site behind cloudflare or at least configure a plugin for ddos protection.

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