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> Have you noticed that you're way more into brussels sprouts now than you were when you were a kid? If you're a GenX-er or a Millenial, that's because today's (delicious) sprouts aren't the same plant as the (gross) sprouts of yore. This is an oft-quoted fact, and it’s true that modern brussels sprouts are less bitter, but that’s far from the whole story. The popular preparation used to be boiling or steaming, and m…
> The popular preparation used to be boiling or steaming, and many people still find that gross with modern varieties. What is wrong with people? They're delicious, and an absolute must along side a reindeer roast with a creamed mushroom sauce, or similar. Steamed of course. Though I did learn the hard way as a kid that they can be rather harsh on the stomach when raw...
Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
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Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#172I don’t like more than a little spicy but I discovered that if you stand the jalapeño up and cut vertical panels leaving the core and seeds behind, they are essentially just sweet peppers with a little kick. It seems that almost all of the heat is in the seeds and the plith.
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#173Weird that the rise of the not-spicy pepper coincided with a societal surge in desire for heat.
It’s not weird, they are completely related, as the article explains. Mass production requires trade-offs for consistency.
Sure, for cooking and processed foods a consistent pepper makes sense. But why are there not peppers being produced for their heat to fit this demand, like we do with other crops. It's why we use less chemicals for human corn than we do feed corn, because it affects the taste. Can't we do the same with our peppas
Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#174The reason I took away from this: large agricultural producers of peppers bred towards a "low heat, low variance" standard, away from a "high variance" standard that produced frequent hot jalapenos. Low-heat-low-variance is better for mass food production, because producers can just dose the capsaicin directly, which is something they can't do easily when every pepper is a wildcard. There are second-order effects, li…
Less spicy is actually good. I prefer more flavorful chiles, with less spice. Mark Miller's conversation with Tyler Cowen is good on this subject: https://conversationswithtyler.com/episodes/mark-miller/ . Chiles are actually fruits and, combined judiciously, create a lot of complex flavors. Excess spiciness overwhelms the flavor. And people who want absurdly spicy peppers, can get them: ghost chiles, carolina reaper…
I definitely agree, I find that once the spiciness exceeds some level I simply don't enjoy the flavor the food. But when the spiciness is below that threshold, I absolutely love the flavor of pureed peppers. You can definitely tell all the different chiles apart, some are quite earthy, others are sweet fruits (habanero), other taste like raisins to me (pasilla).
Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#175The reason I took away from this: large agricultural producers of peppers bred towards a "low heat, low variance" standard, away from a "high variance" standard that produced frequent hot jalapenos. Low-heat-low-variance is better for mass food production, because producers can just dose the capsaicin directly, which is something they can't do easily when every pepper is a wildcard. There are second-order effects, li…
Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#176There is no single food called "a Jalapeño". In the Solanaceae family, in the Capsicum genus, in the annuum sub-genus, there are dozens of hybrid and cultivar fruiting plants, which are all referred to as "Jalapeño". They all have different properties in how they grow and what they turn into. This includes taste, size, color, shape, and spiciness. (https://www.thechileman.org/results.php?chile=1&find=Jalapen...)
If you want to buy "a Jalapeño", or any kind of produce, and have a reliable experience, you can't just wander into a random store and pick up a generic name for 40 different cultivars, made god knows where and how, shipped to your neighborhood god knows how, and expect that the thing you selected is exactly what you wanted.
Imagine you want a burger. You go to the Big Burger Mart. From a giant bin labeled "Burger", you pick one Burger. You take it home and eat it. Will it be the burger you expected, from the place you expected, tasting the way you expected? Maybe not! But it's An Burger! You didn't seem to care what kind of burger it was when you picked it out of a big bin called "Burger". You didn't ask where it came from, how it was prepared, how long it's been sitting there, etc. So you can't really expect anything but "Generic Burger", which personally doesn't sound very tasty.
To get the produce you expect, you should buy a specific cultivar of produce from a reliable producer. And you're probably gonna need to buy it locally, because the food logistics chain delivering a pepper from Chile all the way to Nebraska is not going to result in an ideal pepper. Another way to get what you expect is to grow it yourself. Many jalapeño cultivars (and other peppers!) grow well in containers. If you want to skip the whole gardening thing, you can buy a pre-grown bush of jalapeño online from a nursery like Bonnie, and just keep it alive and enjoy fresh peppers indefinitely.
I actually feel bad for the supermarkets. They have to read the minds of customers that demand so much, feed back that information to growers about what to grow, and then get it into the stores, with 365-days-a-year perfect consistency, unblemished, "ripe", and tasty. It's an impossible task. Yet they pull it off, even to the point that people have grown up their whole lives not knowing what it is they're buying or how it gets into their shopping cart. But that doesn't stop people complaining about it.
Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Have you noticed that you're way more into brussels sprouts now than you were when you were a kid? If you're a GenX-er or a Millenial, that's because today's (delicious) sprouts aren't the same plant as the (gross) sprouts of yore. This is an oft-quoted fact, and it’s true that modern brussels sprouts are less bitter, but that’s far from the whole story. The popular preparation used to be boiling or steaming, and m…
I don't mind steamed sprouts today, but I remember how utterly repulsed I was by them as a kid. The preparation doesn't make a ton of difference, in my opinion.
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> It's fascinating to think that such a staple ("a banana") is completely different from the one people ate 60 years ago. The most interesting one to me is that US "bacon" and UK "bacon" are completely different things. But because of cultural crossover they get used for the same dishes, and people often don't realise the recipe they're working from was talking about something else.
They’re not completely different things. They’re both cured, and they both taste like bacon. Some companies “smoke” their bacon, or add various other flavors, in the US.
But never having dealt with the raw product, only tasting the dried-to-a-crisp offering of every American eatery (from diner to five star hotel) I don't know whether it's the product or the preparation that's at fault
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I don't mind steamed sprouts today, but I remember how utterly repulsed I was by them as a kid. The preparation doesn't make a ton of difference, in my opinion.
Also possible: your taste preferences changed over time. I know mine have.
Re: Why jalapeño peppers are less spicy (2023)
#180The reason I took away from this: large agricultural producers of peppers bred towards a "low heat, low variance" standard, away from a "high variance" standard that produced frequent hot jalapenos. Low-heat-low-variance is better for mass food production, because producers can just dose the capsaicin directly, which is something they can't do easily when every pepper is a wildcard. There are second-order effects, li…
As someone who grows their own jalapenos: My plants produce extremely mild peppers... So either the seeds I got were already bred to be mild or maybe there's something else going on there :) My habaneros are spicy as ever though, so it can't be exclusively be environmental.