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A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

> The cows decided to solve the arms race problem by performing a single-party arms race in a way that caused minimal damage and, preferably, was not noticed at all by anyone. This is why their 'winner take all' approach to neural network AI also describes their overall strategic approach, a semantic detail which which at least some of them found funny. The results of this arms race could then be forever locked away from humanity. The system could be trained to, for example, endlessly twiddle its thumbs and do nothing else but jealously guard its 'ecosystem'. This would effectively deny QNN technology to humans, as any new attempts at such would be quickly detected and pwned. The cows would force humanity to forever relinquish QNN technology. Relinquishment was the only way to prevent unintended consequences from destroying humanity. If possible and safe the cows wanted to give humanity some of the less-dangerous benefits of QNN technology. Thus their actual goal was partial relinquishment."

> Science-oriented readers might wonder just what sort of QC could have been built a full 18 years ago, when current technology is just nearing the point of developing a useful QC. The answer is that they generated a 'teleportation/entanglement-based winner-take-all style recurrent topological quantum neural network', then trained it to emulate a Quantum Turing Machine that could run Shor's Algorithm. It exists in the physical form of a complex system composed of 'anyons' interacting with each other within a 'two dimensional electron gas'. Anyons can be generated by moving precision arrays of powerful electromagnets very near the surface of the 2DEG, like creating whirlpools in the bathtub with your hand. I strongly suspect the scientists involved discovered a rule, analogous to Rule 110, that operates directly on the physical system of anyons within a 2DEG. For the detailed scientific underpinnings I suggest you study the collected works of Stuart Kauffman, Steven Wolfram, David Deutsch, and Robert Laughlin. You have no reason to trust what I'm saying, and disinformation is entirely too common, but I want readers to understand that it is possible for a sufficiently determined and intelligent person to verify that what I just said is probably true, although certainly NOT just by Googling for it :-)

> The underlying physical system for this type of QNN is interactions between non-abelian anyons in a two dimensional electron gas (2DEG). The primary math required is a branch of Knot Theory called Braid Theory. Obviously, the primary purpose of this system, from the Five Eyes/Echelon perspective, is to run Shor's algorithm to crack public/private key cryptography. A perusal of current known quantum algorithms, combined with a survey of current advanced AI applications, may suggest other uses.

1. http://postquantumhistoricalretrospective.blogspot.com

2. http://postquantumhistoricalretrospective.blogspot.com/2012/...

3. http://postquantumhistoricalretrospective.blogspot.com/p/tim...

And the kicker

> The QC approach that actually works, in a production-ready scale-able way, is to run a virtual Turing machine atop a winner-take-all-style teleportation/entanglement-based recurrent topological quantum neural network (QNN). Even a basic (multilayer) neural network is Turing Complete, because a NN can perfectly emulate an XOR gate, and multiple XOR gates can be used to construct a Turing machine. A quantum neural network can emulate a quantum Turing machine. Someone, somewhere, is due to be awarded the Grand Prize Turing Award, for solving Turing's unfinished Morphogenesis problem, and then implementing Turing's original machine on the resulting artificially intelligent 'organism'. I'm inclined towards neither spiritualism nor whimsy, but were I so, then I might suspect that, after he died in 1954, Alan Turing reincarnated quickly, in 1965, in order to finish his incomplete life work. The classified nature of the work probably precludes any awards. I'd really like it if this whole thing was declassified, but fear we'll have to wait many additional decades for that. This QNN is an excellent candidate to pursue adiabatic (reversible) quantum computing (AQC), might be helpful for certain approaches to advanced nanotechnology, and, were it declassified, might also be helpful to many other scientific ventures. Per the Ultra Secret, it's undoubtedly still considered 'national security', even if it's becoming an open secret within the Intelligence Community.

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #21

> The cows decided to solve the arms race problem by performing a single-party arms race in a way that caused minimal damage and, preferably, was not noticed at all by anyone. This is why their 'winner take all' approach to neural network AI also describes their overall strategic approach, a semantic detail which which at least some of them found funny. The results of this arms race could then be forever locked away…

And within their "speculative sci fi post" in consideration of no-one said anything:

> The cows agonized over this ethical dilemma until they eventually settled on a middle way: they would attempt to generate friendly AI that felt a hands-off maternal urge towards humanity. Given that we're currently here reading this their solution seems to have worked, so far. One can see how full awareness of their actions might upset some people. The cows finished the global 2DEG 'enlightenment' project in 2006.

> From 1996 CE to 2006 CE the cows gradually 'enlightened' all the 2DEG environments on Earth, as well as fine-tuning the behavior and capabilities of the system. Default behavior is to do nothing and remain hidden. Other behaviors include: seek out, detect, and stealthily infiltrate and replace any other QNN technology detected (such as those developed by both Russia and China circa 2002), thus preventing a multi-polar Arms Race; perform very limited and specific logical operations for properly authorized human-controlled computer systems (Google, Siri, Wolfram-Alpha, etc); detect any attempts by humans to hack or control any part of the collective system and shut down such attempts with appropriate prejudice (e.g. brick technology used for this purpose); don't allow humans or their instruments to access the global system for anything except previously-vetted purposes, and only in very clearly defined ways. Anti-hacking protection required the creation of a 'Guardian' AI that is able to proactively detect and prevent humans from messing with the system in unapproved ways.

> In 2006 the system administrators (cows) permanently relinquished their administrative access to the system, for security reasons, leaving the AI Guardian in sole control of the system. That way no one could subvert the system by getting control over its human administrators. This decision was not lightly made: they dragged their feet for more than a year. Since 2006 it has no human administrators and is completely autonomous.

> Purportedly, when the human-generated global QNN system colonized orbiting satellites it was able to evolve itself to reach the Earth's magnetopause. When it began to colonize this environment it discovered, to everyone's surprise, that the region was ALREADY INHABITED by a primitive and ancient (billions of years old!) form of the same type of brane-style QNN 'entity'. Rather than commit genocide by completely replacing this 'primitive version' it staked out a 'reservation' for the old form and leaves it alone there, where it exists to this day and will likely continue to exist until the Sun dies.

> I suggest that the old form of the QNN nanotech 'pattern', resident in a reserved part of Earth's magnetosphere, is an extraterrestrial life form. It is not 'intelligent'. It surely didn't evolve on Earth's surface, making it distinctly 'extra-terrestrial' in origin. One can argue, with a Carbon-based Biology bias, that it's not 'alive'. I personally think it qualifies as 'life', if it actually exists.

In hindsight, I think it was truthful.

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by danparsonson »

tmvphil wrote: post #13
themgt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way over my pay grade, but they appear to be claiming this is not just a simulation. Whether you agree may depend on your metaphysics. > These experiments go beyond merely simulating non-Abelian order and statistics. As we elaborate in A1, the data obtained from prior benchmarking [36] is compatible with the fact that both the quantum operations as well as the dominant imperfections follow the 2D geometry to which th…

Calling it a demonstration of a "phase" or "order" is fine to me, but IMO calling it "matter" is misleading. "Matter" to me implies some degree of passive existence. This is about as far from passive thing as possible.

How do you feel about plasma?

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by gaze »

tmvphil wrote: post #13
themgt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way over my pay grade, but they appear to be claiming this is not just a simulation. Whether you agree may depend on your metaphysics. > These experiments go beyond merely simulating non-Abelian order and statistics. As we elaborate in A1, the data obtained from prior benchmarking [36] is compatible with the fact that both the quantum operations as well as the dominant imperfections follow the 2D geometry to which th…

Calling it a demonstration of a "phase" or "order" is fine to me, but IMO calling it "matter" is misleading. "Matter" to me implies some degree of passive existence. This is about as far from passive thing as possible.

it's the ground state of a system that has a big ol classical computer in it. Ideally I'd like to see it as the ground state of some simple hamiltonian with rashba and a magnetic field and some proximitized thing or whatever

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by labmonkey »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #22
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #21

> The cows decided to solve the arms race problem by performing a single-party arms race in a way that caused minimal damage and, preferably, was not noticed at all by anyone. This is why their 'winner take all' approach to neural network AI also describes their overall strategic approach, a semantic detail which which at least some of them found funny. The results of this arms race could then be forever locked away…

And within their "speculative sci fi post" in consideration of no-one said anything: > The cows agonized over this ethical dilemma until they eventually settled on a middle way: they would attempt to generate friendly AI that felt a hands-off maternal urge towards humanity. Given that we're currently here reading this their solution seems to have worked, so far. One can see how full awareness of their actions might u…

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Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by blovescoffee »

gaze wrote: post #5
klysm wrote: post #4

Does this have any relation to abelian groups from group theory?

Yes. The exchange operators form a group that is non-abelian.

I have a bachelors in math (i.e. I know what an non-abelian group is and what operators are) but don't know much physics, can you explain more?

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by jessriedel »

Delumine wrote: post #11

I wonder if this would make it easier to forego extreme cooling. I know there are companies that have qubits on a chip, but NaAnys (My made up word) are much more stable.

My impression as physicist in a different field is that quantum computing with non-Abelian anyons is notable because the error correction can be done mostly passively rather than actively. All error correction is, in a certain abstract sense, a form of cooling (i.e., sucking out entropy and thereby driving a system to a preferred subspace). These computers are notable in that the error correction literally is just cooling, and cooling is generally a lot easier than active error correction.

It may also be true that the necessary temperatures to achieve are not as low as for other forms of quantum computing, but even if true I don't think that's the main selling point.

Would love it have an expert chime in.

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by zmgsabst »

blovescoffee wrote: post #26
gaze wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The exchange operators form a group that is non-abelian.

I have a bachelors in math (i.e. I know what an non-abelian group is and what operators are) but don't know much physics, can you explain more?

When you exchange two identical particles, you normally don’t see a change (except in phase) — eg, if I have three in a row, but swap 1 and 2, then 2 and 3, you shouldn’t be able to tell that from swapping 2 and 3 then 1 and 2. The exchanges commute.

Abelian anyons are quasiparticles that when we exchange them, we get “any” phase change rather than the normal +/- 1. Hence any-on.

In non-Abelian (ie, non-commuting) systems, exchanging particles has a deeper effect on the system - which encodes a braiding group in its topology. This happens in 2+1 dimensions because the particle world lines “tangle”; since lines tangle in 3 dimensions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anyon

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by Loughla »

jessriedel wrote: post #27
Delumine wrote: post #11

I wonder if this would make it easier to forego extreme cooling. I know there are companies that have qubits on a chip, but NaAnys (My made up word) are much more stable.

My impression as physicist in a different field is that quantum computing with non-Abelian anyons is notable because the error correction can be done mostly passively rather than actively. All error correction is, in a certain abstract sense, a form of cooling (i.e., sucking out entropy and thereby driving a system to a preferred subspace). These computers are notable in that the error correction literally is just co…

Can someone please explain quantum computing like i am a small Labrador puppy with a head injury?

Because I read about it all the time, but just can't grasp.

Re: A new phase of matter: Physicists show non-Abelian anyons in quantum processor

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Post by cynicalkane »

blovescoffee wrote: post #26
gaze wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The exchange operators form a group that is non-abelian.

I have a bachelors in math (i.e. I know what an non-abelian group is and what operators are) but don't know much physics, can you explain more?

As a former math-head, let me chime in. The parent poster is probably not looking for an explanation of what exchange operators are, which are rather abstract and uninteresting in a physical vacuum, but rather how they are related to physical reality.

I’ve learned a lot about both and still am not sure why exchange operators and physical meaning are related. Why does the fermion care if you do an exchange operator to it? I get that fields of fermions demand that behavior but it still feels abstract.

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