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Re: Netherlands first country in Europe with net neutrality

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Post by gergles »

sigil wrote: post #60
gergles wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FCC's idea that 200kbps is "broadband" is bullshit. A hard drive fedexed across-country overnight is "broadband" by that definition, but the latency makes it pretty unpalatable, don't you think?

No idea what you're getting at. Are monopolistic internet providers about to slam us all with 48 hour round trip times? Unless we let the FCC (which doesn't have a clue about what it's regulating, according to you) enforce net neutrality?

It's easy to claim 99% of the country has multiple broadband options if you count satellite as a broadband option, since theoretically everyone CONUS can get it. I don't, because of the 2 second latency.

Re: Netherlands first country in Europe with net neutrality

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Post by sigil »

gergles wrote: post #61
sigil wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea what you're getting at. Are monopolistic internet providers about to slam us all with 48 hour round trip times? Unless we let the FCC (which doesn't have a clue about what it's regulating, according to you) enforce net neutrality?

It's easy to claim 99% of the country has multiple broadband options if you count satellite as a broadband option, since theoretically everyone CONUS can get it. I don't, because of the 2 second latency.

So satellite is responsible for these coverage numbers? I don't buy it. In the report, satellite connections account for a mere 0.65% of all high-speed lines.

I realize that's not the same thing as coverage of zip codes. Unfortunately the report doesn't break out the number of non-satellite providers per zip code. But, it does break out the number of providers of different types reporting per state, and satellite provider numbers are either 0 or redacted across the board (because they're deanonymizingly low).

If you run numbers on the zipcode data for 2008 [1], 88% of US census tracts had 4+ providers, 75% had 5+ providers, and 60% had 6+ providers. It's just not plausible that satellite providers account for this.

[1] http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Reports/FCC-State_...

Re: Netherlands first country in Europe with net neutrality

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Post by nitrogen »

sigil wrote: post #62
gergles wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's easy to claim 99% of the country has multiple broadband options if you count satellite as a broadband option, since theoretically everyone CONUS can get it. I don't, because of the 2 second latency.

So satellite is responsible for these coverage numbers? I don't buy it. In the report, satellite connections account for a mere 0.65% of all high-speed lines. I realize that's not the same thing as coverage of zip codes. Unfortunately the report doesn't break out the number of non-satellite providers per zip code. But, it does break out the number of providers of different types reporting per state, and satellite pro…

Penetration of 200kbps connections is meaningless in a post-1998 world. That's not even enough to watch YouTube. Also, coverage by zip code or census tract is misleading, as large zipcodes in rural areas may count as having multiple providers, but only a small portion of the zip code actually has coverage.

In order for coverage and competition statistics to be useful, they need to keep up with modern bandwidth and latency requirements. IMO the absolute bare minimum that should be acceptable is 2mbit/s (for sub-SDTV video quality), with ping times less than 80ms. Meaningful participation in the modern digital world requires 15mbit/s or better, especially for households with more than one person.

Re: Netherlands first country in Europe with net neutrality

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Post by tripzilch »

SjuulJanssen wrote: post #5

bof(fen) wij toch ff :)

Yeah but what has BOF really been doing lately?

They're just reporting this, it's not like we have them to thank for it.

And in the mean time BREIN manages to sue Dutch ISPs into blackholing TPB.

I really wonder whether my monthly donation is doing much good. I'll keep donating, but it'd be nice to see some (recent) successes.

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