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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by [deleted] »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #6
raoulkent wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the world is hella uptight and it drives both things, not that one would fix the other. But I do think if adults felt they could just pay for sex to meet their needs like you pay for a hamburger at Burger King because you are hungry and that didn't have to be illegal or surreptitious, you would have a world where these conversations were easier to have and people would be more l…

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#52

Post by FireBeyond »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #41
FireBeyond wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. This is so vague as to be unusable. Firstly, I (sadly) have absolutely no doubt as to much of what you said. Offers of cash for sex, flirtations, white knighting. > trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it HN isn't - as you know - really about soliciting work for yourself, o…

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

It's not overly up to me to demonstrate evidence of the opposite to disagree with your assertion. I wouldn't know where to begin. I also don't even look at HN the same way as you (the leaderboard? I wouldn't even know about its existence if you hadn't mentioned it).

Indeed, I commiserate with some of the misogynistic or sexist behavior you describe - the sexualizing of things, and such. And I also agree that women are drastically under-represented in tech, especially the higher you get up the corporate ladder. But I'm berated by you with reference to assuming I don't want change and being dismissive of critique. Disagreeing with one aspect of an assertion doesn't not give you sufficient evidence of my motivation.

> I am the only openly female member that I know of who has spent time on the leader board and I've done it twice under two different handles.

> So if the goal is "first fit in" I appear to do that better than most women.

And if you've been on the HN leaderboard, twice, you've also done far better than vast majority of the men, too, then. Despite (or in spite) of the "boy's club" keeping you down?

> And I am unable to turn it into a means to make an adequate income.

I think the proportion of people on HN that have made it into an "adequate income source" is vanishingly small. Their visibility may make it more noticeable, but I couldn't tell you the names of more than a couple of people here who have made ANY money from HN.

There's also a problematic assertion that you are somehow ... entitled ... to make money from HN. This is separate to any gender issues, too - as I said, people who tend to think of HN as a place where having a motivation for community interaction be "what can YOU do to help put food on MY table" is quickly shut down, because it quickly becomes obnoxious, no different to the recruiters sidling up to me on LinkedIn.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#53

Post by 15457345234 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #49
DANmode wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women aren't represented strongly here because they aren't represented as strongly by the numbers in tech . It's pretty obviously selection bias. Why that is, who might be responsible, we probably should all be talking about all of that more often. But often you're coming across as bashing the reader/commenters, over the head with your repeated anecdotes of what you've classified as failures to "network-up" the types…

You don't have to be "in tech" to do well here. There have been lawyers and school teachers and doctors on the leader board. I've done tons of blogging over the years trying to find some kind of constructive approach. It gets no traction. I've mostly moved on from that. Men don't spend all their time examining their belly button in public about their social issues with work. They talk about their work.

I don't know if you want to hear this, but your bio comes off as prickly/activist and I personally wouldn't hire you because I get the impression you'd just use my company or platform as a horse to ride into battle for whatever activist cause is at the front of your mind on any given occasion.

Probably could have worded that better but, y'know

You are looking for employment and networking in a tech bro forum while carrying a 'NGO' persona and tech bros are pretty much the antithesis of NGO people. Culture clash doesn't even begin to cover it.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#54

Post by [deleted] »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #41
FireBeyond wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. This is so vague as to be unusable. Firstly, I (sadly) have absolutely no doubt as to much of what you said. Offers of cash for sex, flirtations, white knighting. > trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it HN isn't - as you know - really about soliciting work for yourself, o…

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#55

Post by DANmode »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #49
DANmode wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Women aren't represented strongly here because they aren't represented as strongly by the numbers in tech . It's pretty obviously selection bias. Why that is, who might be responsible, we probably should all be talking about all of that more often. But often you're coming across as bashing the reader/commenters, over the head with your repeated anecdotes of what you've classified as failures to "network-up" the types…

You don't have to be "in tech" to do well here. There have been lawyers and school teachers and doctors on the leader board. I've done tons of blogging over the years trying to find some kind of constructive approach. It gets no traction. I've mostly moved on from that. Men don't spend all their time examining their belly button in public about their social issues with work. They talk about their work.

What's your best-case scenario these days?

Top of the leaderboard?

Recognizable blogging name?

Building yourself a niche of tech, tech adjacent work, tech leadership/marketing work?

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#56

Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#57

Post by DoreenMichele »

FireBeyond wrote: post #52
DoreenMichele wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

It's not overly up to me to demonstrate evidence of the opposite to disagree with your assertion. I wouldn't know where to begin. I also don't even look at HN the same way as you (the leaderboard? I wouldn't even know about its existence if you hadn't mentioned it). Indeed, I commiserate with some of the misogynistic or sexist behavior you describe - the sexualizing of things, and such. And I also agree that women ar…

I didn't assume any motive on your part, actually. But people routinely take "general observation" very personally on the internet and this is a common source of conflict that is enormously hard to resolve.

I'm not too keen to continue this discussion. I didn't start by making it about me but let me make a single comment mentioning these issues and there is a huge pile of mostly openly hostile replies and if I engage, no matter how carefully and good faith, I am assumed to be the problem.

I'm not really responsible for other people here having very big feels about some comment or other of mine. If you -- the general "you," not FireBeyond in specific -- feel very strongly about my observations, maybe wonder why that is and leave me alone about it.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#58

Post by iwontberude »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #4

...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…

We need another summer of love but one which is wiser. Something to defuse the incels which have invaded political life. I’m tired of our congress doing nothing because people don’t know how to fuck. Seems unrelated on the surface, but it’s not. So much of people’s acting out is based in sexual repression and lack of satisfaction sexually. Am I projecting? Sure as hell, but I’m not alone! (Hi asexuals, I am only talking about the sexually interested people, not erasing you <3)
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