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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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...what on earth gives you the impression... I have been here nearly fifteen years. I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. I will let others decide if the entire community will, as usual, let someone assert that I am imagining things they know is fact or will for once back me up.

> I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. This is so vague as to be unusable. Firstly, I (sadly) have absolutely no doubt as to much of what you said. Offers of cash for sex, flirtations, white knighting. > trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it HN isn't - as you know - really about soliciting work for yourself, o…

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here.

Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow.

Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of it up to other factors and me failing doesn't prove it can't be done by any women.

But I'm not personally seeing other women doing it. But men certainly are.

My argument isn't that my gender is the only issue here. My argument is that as far as I can tell, I fit in here better than other women based on objective metrics like my karma count and I can't manage to break the HN "glass ceiling." So if I can't, who can?

Point me to some examples.

A quick search tells me 10.4 percent of CEOs are women and 22 percent of C-suite executives are women. As far as I can tell, in nearly fifteen years of participation, I am the only openly female member that I know of who has spent time on the leader board and I've done it twice under two different handles.

So if the goal is "first fit in" I appear to do that better than most women. And I am unable to turn it into a means to make an adequate income.

Ergo I think it is reasonable to conclude that my gender is, in fact, a factor.

I will grant you it's "unprovable." How convenient for people who don't want change and want an easy out for dismissing critiques that might lead to constructive progress.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#42

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> I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. This is so vague as to be unusable. Firstly, I (sadly) have absolutely no doubt as to much of what you said. Offers of cash for sex, flirtations, white knighting. > trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it HN isn't - as you know - really about soliciting work for yourself, o…

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

Honestly, the only member that readily comes to mind for using HN effectively to network is patio11/Patrick Mckenzie. (And pg way, way back in the day.)

Show us the examples of male members who are doing it right, so we know what you think "doing it right" looks like.

I hired one person after meeting them through an interaction here on HN comments. She's since left to work at Google.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#43

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Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the world is hella uptight and it drives both things, not that one would fix the other. But I do think if adults felt they could just pay for sex to meet their needs like you pay for a hamburger at Burger King because you are hungry and that didn't have to be illegal or surreptitious, you would have a world where these conversations were easier to have and people would be more l…

yeah, sex-related issues are about as easy to discuss as religion, and often tightly coupled / dictated by religion.

Now, politics and climate change seem to have also become religious topics - you cant discuss them without calling into question ones core identity, it seems.

Not sure how to get around this .. maybe the Street Epistemology approach, of essentially asking someone why they believe what they believe - examining ones beliefs without judgement.

It seems very infrequent that people change their beliefs based on facts - yet its a core tenet of science.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are…

I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions. And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.

The odds are 100%. When I joined Facebook, one of the potential openings after boot camp (Facebook hires "At Large" and does team assignments after training), one of the openings was with their safety and security team. A very senior manager within the production engineering organization dissuaded me from taking that job. I got really bad vibes off of him. A few years later, I wandered through Folsom Street fair, and ran into an acquaintance there. I did not recognize the senior manager at first, partially because he was falling over drunk. Quite frankly, I don't remember his name. What I do remember is that his drunken ramblings were almost a satire of what you expect a soulless remorseless pedophile to say.

To be clear, I do not believe the people working in that division were in on it. I think that they were very few people working in that team, and that their efforts were constantly sabotaged. It was very clearly willful ignorance of many of the people around him.

To put it kind of bluntly, it is because of a couple of years of looking actually at what the sex positive community turns a blind eye to that I am no longer in any way "sex positive".

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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> until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic. > without it being part of an attempt to get laid I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetise…

I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "…

I'm a man who wasted twenty years programming with nothing to show for it. I moved on, to a working class job.

You're riding false hope and trying to get blood from a stone. HN doesn't pay for commenters, it pays start ups.

You should move on. Fifteen years is enough.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#46

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I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income. Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure. While homeless, I was the "…

I'm a man who wasted twenty years programming with nothing to show for it. I moved on, to a working class job. You're riding false hope and trying to get blood from a stone. HN doesn't pay for commenters, it pays start ups. You should move on. Fifteen years is enough.

I gave up a long time ago on ever making money via HN. I rarely post my own work here. I no longer have my resume service linked in my profile.

Trying to get HN to hire me isn't the point of my remarks here.

Do note that multiple other people felt some need to shoot me down here and insist my gender isn't an issue and etc. I don't talk about me to try to get anything out of it for me.

I talk about me because talking about other people can get you sued for libel and not giving an example at all generally means it's too vague to make any real difference in anyone's mind. Talking about me is the least worst solution I have found even though it routinely gets me attacked and dismissed.

I talk about me and my track record on HN because I am on HN and you can verify my claims by checking my comment history under this handle and my previous one. You can see that I spent years trying to make money "honestly" while dirt poor and being offered money for sex while homeless and turning it down because I am celibate for medical reasons.

I talk about me because I have been here long enough some people know what I am saying is true, having read my comments for years. Maybe it will get those people to actually think and do things differently.

It seemingly worked once before on a different subject. While homeless and on a tablet, I used to complain somewhat frequently "I can't access that/that doesn't work for me. I'm on a tablet." And now design is mobile first.

Is that all my doing? Of course not. But I suspect programmers who never spoke to me, never admitted they knew I existed nonetheless kept my complaints in mind and it likely got us there faster.

At some point I quit bitching all the time "I'm homeless. I'm on a cheap tablet. I can't do that." Things just began working and stopped being a problem.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#47

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I'm a man who wasted twenty years programming with nothing to show for it. I moved on, to a working class job. You're riding false hope and trying to get blood from a stone. HN doesn't pay for commenters, it pays start ups. You should move on. Fifteen years is enough.

I gave up a long time ago on ever making money via HN. I rarely post my own work here. I no longer have my resume service linked in my profile. Trying to get HN to hire me isn't the point of my remarks here. Do note that multiple other people felt some need to shoot me down here and insist my gender isn't an issue and etc. I don't talk about me to try to get anything out of it for me. I talk about me because talking…

All good. I have nothing to add to that. Real life people who know you, would have more to say.

I hope it works out.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#48

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> I know for a fact that participation here helps line the pockets of some of the men here. This is so vague as to be unusable. Firstly, I (sadly) have absolutely no doubt as to much of what you said. Offers of cash for sex, flirtations, white knighting. > trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it HN isn't - as you know - really about soliciting work for yourself, o…

I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

Women aren't represented strongly here because they aren't represented as strongly by the numbers in tech.

It's pretty obviously selection bias.

Why that is, who might be responsible, we probably should all be talking about all of that more often.

But often you're coming across as bashing the reader/commenters, over the head with your repeated anecdotes of what you've classified as failures to "network-up" the types of professional success or connections, or relationships you're seeking¹, instead of talking about how to make progress on the thing you actually want to change: women aren't anywhere near as prominently, or noticeably, on HN - or in tech! Though thankfully this is slowly changing.

Have you written anywhere about what hasn't worked over these 15 years, so that others in a similar spot may have an easier time getting what they want from this community?

I have enjoyed many of your comments over the years, have engaged with you on a variety of topics under a variety of handles - but I've gotten tired of this topic never having solutions or any related positive forces behind it.

¹ Have you defined this anywhere?

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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post #48

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I'm just not seeing evidence to support your conclusion that your gender is what is limiting things here. Okay, give me a list of openly female members who are "doing it right" and managing to successfully use Hacker News as a networking tool the way I know for a fact some of the longtime male members have done. Show me an example I can follow. Of course my gender is not the only factor. You can chalk some portion of…

Women aren't represented strongly here because they aren't represented as strongly by the numbers in tech . It's pretty obviously selection bias. Why that is, who might be responsible, we probably should all be talking about all of that more often. But often you're coming across as bashing the reader/commenters, over the head with your repeated anecdotes of what you've classified as failures to "network-up" the types…

You don't have to be "in tech" to do well here. There have been lawyers and school teachers and doctors on the leader board.

I've done tons of blogging over the years trying to find some kind of constructive approach. It gets no traction.

I've mostly moved on from that. Men don't spend all their time examining their belly button in public about their social issues with work. They talk about their work.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.

I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the world is hella uptight and it drives both things, not that one would fix the other. But I do think if adults felt they could just pay for sex to meet their needs like you pay for a hamburger at Burger King because you are hungry and that didn't have to be illegal or surreptitious, you would have a world where these conversations were easier to have and people would be more l…

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