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Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by firecall »

tux1968 wrote: post #112
zeroCalories wrote: post #34

It's amazing to me that Microsoft messed up Windows. All they had to do was not not change things, but they continued to force junk on me that I don't need, take power away from me, and spy on me. Honestly MacOS isn't much better. Linux is still crap software, but we've reached the point where most things can be done on Linux, so good riddance. I hope that more people switch and Linux continues to improve. There's ac…

> I hope that more people switch It's reached a point where it no longer really matters. Linux is good enough, usable enough, and supported enough, that getting more users won't change much. It might actually be worse if a lot more users, with a lot of wide-ranging needs and demands, switch to Linux. At least, I am happy with the current state of Linux usability, and no longer care to evangelize the benefits of being…

But I don’t think Linux is good enough, usable enough or supported enough!

The out of the box experience on Ubuntu doesn’t even come close to modern macOS or Windows 11.

Sure, if all you need to do is use a web browser then you’d be fine with a Linux GUI most of the time.

But then a Chrome Book is better at that point.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by pxoe »

there's a 'More devices and printer settings' button that opens that Devices and Printers window, located in Bluetooth & Devices > Devices section in Settings. so, they're definitely not hiding it. and there's a Printers & scanners section in settings as well.

this is ridiculous. just rambling for the sake of rambling, having an out for windows lol. and seemingly (looking at post text alone) not even trying to actually find it, but in the video he even clicks that button and opens it, and yet makes up a more complicated "solution" for it, saying they "hide that button sometimes" which just does not make sense. it's just there. literally not hidden. so that's just a made up problem.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by tshirttime »

nickelpro wrote: post #15

This is basically an article by a guy angry that the UI for printers changed and predicting the end of the Windows empire based on that.

Forty-four years ago another guy felt the same anger towards a closed-source printer driver, and he started a movement that actually did end Microsoft's stranglehold.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by ambichook »

ajkjk wrote: post #42
erremerre wrote: post #25

I tried changing myself to linux (Fedora) and I still had problems with a Realtek ALC892 for audio, which is a chip from 12 years ago. No solution other than buy a soundcard with a different chip. Unfortunately, we still be using windows. Curiously the game were working quite fine as long as I was using x11.

what's a soundcard? (being flippant but also.. Yeah why?)

ALC892 afaik was a very common chip integrated into the mobo some years back, its not a discrete card itself but if it's causing the problem the solution is to either change your motherboard (and for something that old youll likely need to change CPU and possibly RAM too) or buy a discrete sound card

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by tux1968 »

firecall wrote: post #231
tux1968 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope that more people switch It's reached a point where it no longer really matters. Linux is good enough, usable enough, and supported enough, that getting more users won't change much. It might actually be worse if a lot more users, with a lot of wide-ranging needs and demands, switch to Linux. At least, I am happy with the current state of Linux usability, and no longer care to evangelize the benefits of being…

But I don’t think Linux is good enough, usable enough or supported enough! The out of the box experience on Ubuntu doesn’t even come close to modern macOS or Windows 11. Sure, if all you need to do is use a web browser then you’d be fine with a Linux GUI most of the time. But then a Chrome Book is better at that point.

Yeah, i'm not a fan of Ubuntu either. But if Linux isn't for you, that's great. I don't think any of us should work to convince you otherwise. We're fine. You're fine. No problem.

P.S. Chromebook is Linux under the hood.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by ambichook »

shmerl wrote: post #65

> Yet, both of these options are better than modern Windows unless you need Gaming Linux is good for gaming. macOS is not and will never be with Apple's attitude.

linux is good for it but it's still no windows unfortunately. gaming is the reason my desktop still runs windows, the day linux gets decent support for VR and i can be assured that everything will run 100% perfectly, but thats going to need extensive changes to how DRM and anticheat in many games function, or massive leaps in compatibility layers (which may happen relatively soon)

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by earlone »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #227
earlone wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes agree. I started using Linux (Gentoo) as student 20 years ago to learn LKMs programming, and with my main Desktop being Windows currently, I give a new try to linux distros every year. I see Linux distros improve year after year, but they are still light years away from providing a good user experience. And even if I don't agree with many Windows 11 updates (like the cumulating number of services required to run…

It's interesting hearing such diametrically opposed experiences. I've been using Linux as my main desktop for over 20 years. I find Windows to be an unholy confusing mess these days. Want to set the microphone sound level; go to sound settings - nope, not there. Probably in some other legacy control panel I guess. By contrast, most things I need to configure in Linux are in a single place. File copying is much faster…

I understand your perspective and appreciate the flexibility of Linux, however achieving my desired setup on Linux does involve more effort and is sometimes impossible, as I explain in my post below.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by nickelpro »

tshirttime wrote: post #233
nickelpro wrote: post #15

This is basically an article by a guy angry that the UI for printers changed and predicting the end of the Windows empire based on that.

Forty-four years ago another guy felt the same anger towards a closed-source printer driver, and he started a movement that actually did end Microsoft's stranglehold.

What stranglehold do you imagine MS had in 1980, prior to shipping a single DOS install?

Android Linux and iOS are what killed MS's stranglehold on consumer electronics. GNU is a footnote in the history of MS's rise and fall in the space.

Re: Microsoft is driving users away

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Post by alisonatwork »

Animats wrote: post #90
zeroCalories wrote: post #34

It's amazing to me that Microsoft messed up Windows. All they had to do was not not change things, but they continued to force junk on me that I don't need, take power away from me, and spy on me. Honestly MacOS isn't much better. Linux is still crap software, but we've reached the point where most things can be done on Linux, so good riddance. I hope that more people switch and Linux continues to improve. There's ac…

> It's amazing to me that Microsoft messed up Windows. It is. At Windows 7, they pretty much had desktops right. Everything mostly worked. They'd finally fixed the crashing problems. (How? The Static Driver Verifier validated that third-party kernel drivers would not crash the rest of the system, and a classifier applied to crash dumps routed similar crash dumps to the same maintainer.) The UI was reasonable for a de…

On the flip side, Windows 8 was a superior interface for the Surface and similar devices to either 10 or 11.

While I wouldn't want to go back to 8 due to subsequent quality of life improvements for developers like WSL and winget, I still miss the UI every day. It looked clean and simple and worked great with a touchscreen and keyboard alike. Trying to navigate a Surface on Windows 11 with the utterly useless widgets hijacking the left swipe, the microscopic start menu, the on screen keyboard which can no longer be undocked and resized and the now-missing notification toggles is an exercise in frustration.

The backlash against Windows 8 from purists who hated anything mobile is exactly what led to the current enshittified version of the Windows user interface imo. Microsoft overcorrected and have now ended up in a worse place than they were when they started.

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