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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by bionsystem »

wazoox wrote: post #89
bionsystem wrote: post #58

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In France striking is a fundamental right just like marching (assuming you make the demand to the authorities and it gets accepted). However what I dislike about the situation is that everybody strikes and manifests for his own core interest separately. I think we should really get into a more coordinated effort. Most of those strikes have failed.

You're not asking for the authority to accept you to march, you simply announce that you'll march, which, as a fundamental right, can't be rejected by the authorities beforehand unless there are serious reasons to believe that major trouble will occur. Though in the recent years several protests were forbidden by the authorities, it still is completely exceptional, and the marches happened anyway (and of course, majo…

I agree with what you and your brother comment say, however you are both missing my 2 main points :) Which are that being a fundamental right it is easier to do and also the right is misused in my opinion, we should consolidate forces instead of striking in turn each year.

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Post by seszett »

dheera wrote: post #174
dgellow wrote: post #33

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Sorry but you’re mistaken. 60k€ in France or Germany is a decent salary. Power cords don’t cost 15€? What are you talking about? I see prices way below 10€

Oh I don't know, way back in 2005 and 2007 when I did internships in Europe, the cords at the local store always cost a lot. Even an RJ-45 cable for DSL cost 20 SF (about USD15 at the time) at the local electronics store.

What currency is SF? I might be missing one of the non-Eurozone countries.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

isodev wrote: post #167
NicoJuicy wrote: post #54

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We also have the highest taxes in the world. So the government gets as much ( or more) benefit as the employee. Eoy bonus for having dinner a good work is almost pointless here. Since more than halve goes to the government.

It goes to the government so you can get it back in the form of public services, infrastructure, social welfare, healthcare, public amenities etc.

EU literally said that Belgium doesn't offer enough in return for those high taxes

Eg. https://www.thebulletin.be/belgium-fails-provide-services-ju...

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Post by seoulmetro »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #112
ponector wrote: post #88

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60k per year is around 3200€ per month after taxes. It could be comfortable upper class level life only if you own the place you live and have a small family without special needs. If you rent and have few children - you screwed.

> It could be comfortable upper class level life I think we might have a different understanding of what "upper class" means. Upper class is the likes of Trump/Bezos/Musk/. 3200 Euros/month will not let you live even remotely near that. It's a decent middle class and that's it.

Upper class is definitely not Trump/Bezos/Musk. They exist beyond the upper class. Upper class are the kind of people to own holiday houses in nice coastal cities, "work" by running a business their parents left them and travel first class once a year.

Rich and famous isn't really part of the class system.

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Post by rldjbpin »

romantomjak wrote: post #5

I'm consistently impressed by French solidarity to just go on a strike until they get their government (or a company in this case) to start treating them fairly. I wish that could work in the UK, but alas, we don't do that here.

the uk also have strikes, at least with transportation. this was my observation during my first visit.

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Post by rpigab »

walidthedream wrote: post #155
rpigab wrote: post #134

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I dunno, it's kinda nice to get an engineering Master of Science equivalent for 600€ per year in a good public school (private school doesn't mean better school), with heavily subsided rent if you need it, then go to work and have zero debt, get social security, have kids and childcare is also subsidized, and you can't get fired without a reason, and when you do get fired you get a portion of your salary for months,…

Wake up buddy. You have well learned the French socialist propaganda lesson. Unemployment in France since our 4 latest presidents have become aligned with California (around 180 days max). Ie capped in amount and limited in time. I don’t doubt many people around you have it worse. Heavily subsidized rent ?? Where do you live in a social housing project ? What an ambition for an engineer graduate from a so called good…

So, the American dream it is?

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Post by Raed667 »

benhurmarcel wrote: post #158
Raed667 wrote: post #78

Around 2020, I interviewed with them for a full-stack role in Montpellier France. They genuinely seemed perplexed when I laughed at their €38k offer, which translates to ~€2200/month after taxes. Full support to the strikers!

In France that’s a pretty normal salary for an engineering graduate with a Masters and no experience outside of internships.

This was with ~ 3 or 4 years of XP. It was lower than my salary at the time.

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Post by adamlarsson78 »

madsbuch wrote: post #179
adamlarsson78 wrote: post #177

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Sure, as long as we can agree that the original statement is, that's fine by me.

You completely misrepresent me in your comments and you have really bad attitude. > The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. You insinuate that I was talking about people living of welfare which is absolutely not within the "subsistence" definition. That would be more akin to a rent-seeker. Also, I did not make any political statement. I mer…

Either you are naive or disingenious. "Great for subsistence seekers" is a dog whistle for a neoliberal political agenda.

Aspiration seeking and the desire for a strong social system are not mutually exclusive. Whether somebody cares about there being a social safety net for themselves and everybody around them does not indicate how aspirational they themselves are but correlates positively with empathy and negatively with egocentrism.

> That is not at all controversial.

It's a false dichotomy and as a way to cast the comparison it is quite obviously controversial.

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Post by dang »

madsbuch wrote: post #179
adamlarsson78 wrote: post #177

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Sure, as long as we can agree that the original statement is, that's fine by me.

You completely misrepresent me in your comments and you have really bad attitude. > The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. You insinuate that I was talking about people living of welfare which is absolutely not within the "subsistence" definition. That would be more akin to a rent-seeker. Also, I did not make any political statement. I mer…

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

Please especially don't cross into name-calling or personal attacks.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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Post by dang »

adamlarsson78 wrote: post #188
madsbuch wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You completely misrepresent me in your comments and you have really bad attitude. > The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. You insinuate that I was talking about people living of welfare which is absolutely not within the "subsistence" definition. That would be more akin to a rent-seeker. Also, I did not make any political statement. I mer…

Either you are naive or disingenious. "Great for subsistence seekers" is a dog whistle for a neoliberal political agenda. Aspiration seeking and the desire for a strong social system are not mutually exclusive. Whether somebody cares about there being a social safety net for themselves and everybody around them does not indicate how aspirational they themselves are but correlates positively with empathy and negativel…

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

Please especially don't cross into name-calling or personal attacks.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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