Isnt this the MS playbook 101? Bad windows version everyone hates but exiting the ecosystem is hard . Juat when people start getting fed up they release the new same as the old version and everyone buys it. They make billions and people are happy until the next release
Microsoft is driving users away
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hate to break it to you, OSX/Mac are just the same cash cow with proprietary vendor lock-ins for forever. Unless that was the irony you were pointing out. Good show.
OS X works well especially with the hardware it was co-designed with. The only other option is an idealistic Linux, which still isn’t suitable for most people, so grandma moved from Windows to OSX, and never looked back.
> OS X works well especially with the hardware it was co-designed with.
Only while they continue to support it. It may work well now but when they stop supporting it; it's proprietary, it's dead.
When they fully move away from Intel based support, all those without the latest platform will be dead in the water.
"Your not running the latest secure version of OSX! -- Your running an Intel? Sorry we don't support that".
As which that can be seen with old iPhones and iOS.
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#83No-one cares about Power Users once the rest of the populace is on Windows.
Well maybe, but with Windows maybe they shouldn't think about power users but power buyers. And power buyers (i.e. medium to large enterprises) care about security, maintainability, backward compatibility, and supportability and yeah lots of stuff has moved to the cloud but the end user has got to use something to get there. So, the question is, is this creative destruction or just destruction. Not every change is an…
I think that is the crux of the problem actually. Same with Teams, what the buyer wants is misaligned with what the end user wants unfortunately. Most resources are put towards making it an easier sell rather than towards a product the end user loves.
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#84Microsoft...screwed up my relationship with my HP printer. Two of them. And don't get me started on that malware Onedrive or the constantly shitified Teams.
It's impressive how much worse MS Teams has gotten. Genuinely baffling decisions on every single level in that UI...
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#85This is basically an article by a guy angry that the UI for printers changed and predicting the end of the Windows empire based on that.
Accurate as every other week's predicting of Microsoft's impeding doom from users who don't like Windows in the past 30 years. - 1995. wah, wah! Windows 95 sucks, it's so bloated, MS-DOS was so much lighter, this will be the end of Microsoft. - 2001. wah, wah! Windows XP sucks, it's just a bloated Windows 2000 with Fisher Price coloring, this will be the end of Microsoft. .... - 2021. wah, wah! Windows 11 sucks, it's…
Well in 2013 Windows had a 90% market share for desktop PC's, and now it's evidently down to 69%... so yeah, I'd say they have a problem.
(Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha... )
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#86Install Windows 10 LTSC - keeps you sane for a few more years. By then the newer Windows should hopefully be better.
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#87Windows really is a confusing mess right now. Especially the two different settings areas. All sorts of ridiculous stuff like Microsoft realizing people won't be able to find the options to turn system icons on and off on the Desktop anymore, so they add a tiny clickable link to a Bing search for how to find it If you go back to Windows 95 right now and use the interface it feels amazing in comparison. It feels like…
You’d think a multi-trillion dollar company would have the resources to properly re-do the control panel, but I guess not? However, even Apple can’t get this right (see the unnecessary iOS-ification of System Preferences which to this day is a disorienting mess).
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#88I think that Windows was kind of usable till Windows 7. Windows 10 was not that bad from a performance point of view, an improvement over Windows 7, but it had a ton of bloatware that you had to clean up with third party applications, after it it was kind of ok. Anyway, I use Linux and to me Windows is so far behind, for example only in recent years they introduced features such as virtual desktops that in Linux DE a…
You had virtual desktops with powertoys on Windows XP.
There's also one for Always on top, or the freeware Turbotop.
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#89I used Ubuntu on my laptops from 2008 to 2023. Last year I switched to Windows 10. Looking at what's going on, I believe I'll be back to Ubuntu in my next laptop. Cycles...
It may be true that Linux on the desktop is finally here, but I used to read about that on /. in the late '90s and early '00s, and people talk about it occasionally on HN. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't, but like 25 / 0 of the last "Linux is taking over the desktop" moments have been predicted.
I think by this point Linux desktop has matured enough that you can say with certain that the biggest problems is application availability.
Users want to run Adobe's creative suite or Affinity software (because they have to, even tough there are some decent alternatives) or run some very specific Scientific/CAD/whatever software that has no parallel in the Linux world. Worse, sometimes its hard to get Linux native software to run on your choice of distro due to it not being available in your distro repositories yet (flatpaks are changing that but still not a perfect solution) or it being some proprietary software that was really only tested on some old version of Readhat meant for high end workstations which requires you to run some arcane scripts on the command line to install and therefore tainting your whole installation, kinda defeating the purpose of running away from messy Windows installations.
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#90It's amazing to me that Microsoft messed up Windows. All they had to do was not not change things, but they continued to force junk on me that I don't need, take power away from me, and spy on me. Honestly MacOS isn't much better. Linux is still crap software, but we've reached the point where most things can be done on Linux, so good riddance. I hope that more people switch and Linux continues to improve. There's ac…
> It's amazing to me that Microsoft messed up Windows.
It is. At Windows 7, they pretty much had desktops right. Everything mostly worked. They'd finally fixed the crashing problems. (How? The Static Driver Verifier validated that third-party kernel drivers would not crash the rest of the system, and a classifier applied to crash dumps routed similar crash dumps to the same maintainer.) The UI was reasonable for a desktop, and wasn't a clone of the mobile UI. No ads. Didn't phone home too much, and you could turn off auto-update. No issues with installing your own software.
Then Microsoft tried to make desktop look like mobile and tablet. Desktop began to look like a big phone, optimized for content consumption and fat finger selection. The result was something that was neither a good desktop nor a good content consumption device.