Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway
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#4...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments...
So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controversial and not legal in many places. We have a world of adults so uptight about their own sexuality that victimizing the most defenseless among us is preferable to dealing with adults meeting their needs with other adults and sorting out questions of how to do that in a world where we no longer automatically know some small group well from which to bond with someone and marry them and etc and are still sorting out how to find a mate for life in this big wide world.
Corporations and parents and assorted others are all doing this. This doesn't mean Meta is off the hook for this but this is occurring in a larger context where we routinely just don't want to know kids are abused it seems.
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#5...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…
Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.
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#6...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…
Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.
I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing that the world is hella uptight and it drives both things, not that one would fix the other.
But I do think if adults felt they could just pay for sex to meet their needs like you pay for a hamburger at Burger King because you are hungry and that didn't have to be illegal or surreptitious, you would have a world where these conversations were easier to have and people would be more likely to hash them out in earnest.
These failings most likely start with everyone in the room not wanting to really have that conversation. Because sex is such an uncomfortable topic of discussion generally that a tough topic like child exploitation becomes effectively "unspeakable" for many people.
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#7...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…
> we routinely just don't want to know kids are abused it seems
Did you conclude that from the fact that there is a Wall Street Journal describing said corrupt practice?
This is a scandal. I hope people will go to prison (parents and costumers alike if what is described is true.) I hope Facebook develops better tools to prevent this from happening. If not I want people from Facebook to also go to prison.
Is this how “we routinely just don’t want to know” look like in your book?
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#8...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…
> we routinely just don't want to know kids are abused it seems Did you conclude that from the fact that there is a Wall Street Journal describing said corrupt practice? This is a scandal. I hope people will go to prison (parents and costumers alike if what is described is true.) I hope Facebook develops better tools to prevent this from happening. If not I want people from Facebook to also go to prison. Is this how…
Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten to "and now there is an article about a scandal on the front page of HN about how far this went before anyone cared."
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#9...tools on Facebook and Instagram were being misused by adults seeking to profit from exploiting their own children...The content, often featuring young girls in bikinis and leotards, was sold to an audience that was overwhelmingly male and often overt about sexual interest in the children in comments... So basically we exploit children for sex in a world that is so uptight that sex work by adults is still controver…
Arguing that pedophiles would not be problematic if there was legalisation of sec work is an absurd notion.
they didn’t argue that, they argued that if you’re not able to even talk about a problem you tend to smother it or not give it nuance which can lead to folks trying to kill any consensual sexual stuff, which not only consumes huge resources, but also leads to the situation where everyone is aware of how to skirt the rules meaning it is no longer esoteric knowledge.
Same reasoning is often applied to weed… it’s not a gateway drug, it’s not not that bad of a drug, but the way it’s treated leads you to being criminalized for trying it so you don’t seek support, and you suddenly have contact with a dealer that can get more things and will push you to try it all.
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#10The title alone is problematic. Do not auto-makers enable kidnapping and robbery? Do not camera-makers enable child exploitation?
Tools don't have morality - people do. Consider that the same argument is routinely used to criticize, for example, secure chat services like Signal.
If you really want to protect children, just put a smart-collar on every child that records every interaction they have, and put it online for the public to review and flag things they find immoral. This will work flawlessly because everyone has the same moral judgement and interprets evidence the same way /s.
My tinfoil hat wonders if Meta itself is the source of this reporting. Weak attacks, like this one, help them with the strong attacks, like the fact that their product systematically harms the mental-health of young people especially. It's a bit like if RJ Reynolds funded a hit-piece on themselves that accused them of making cigarettes that can be used to burn others. Defending against that attack primes people to defend RJ Reynolds, which would help with the more serious, and justified, attack that they profit from addiction and lung cancer.