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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dijit »

Raed667 wrote: post #132
dijit wrote: post #125

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Worked for Ubisoft in Sweden as a senior infrastructure engineer for an always online title. One of two people to make the entirety of online work- which, if it didnt meant nobody could play. They offered 29k SEK/mo- which isn't just below average salary for that position, it is below the average salary in the city. I negotiated for a better pay but it took 6 years to get back to my pre-join salary. I only took the j…

It is insane how much the gaming industry gets away with because "passion" ... Just curious, Paradox (Stockholm) was not an option for you? From what I read they seem to pay better than 29k SEK.

It was Malmö, but cost of living in stockholm is much higher.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

dijit wrote: post #130
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #121

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Maybe, but because of outliers you can't then claim EU elective surgery is cheap when it obviously doesn't apply across the entire block. I'm sure it's cheap in some countries yes.

It is in 100% of the places I know about. I think making any broad EU statement even if it applies to many/most is fine. There will always be some outliers in the data. There is a similar argument about generalisations on behaviour, ie: statistically average behaviours of people. You have to be able to talk in broad strokes with the knowledge that it doesn't apply to everyone.

>It is in 100% of the places I know about.

It's also in 100% of the countries I know about. What does that mean?

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by INTPenis »

fredrikholm wrote: post #50
INTPenis wrote: post #36

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I understand, sorry but I was thinking of all the frequent comparisons made with the bay area on this website. But true enough Scandinavia is at the top of european salaries, at least Stockholm. Not down south where I live in Malmö, because the cost of living is much lower.

Are you saying (in combo with first post) that the average SE is paid >50tkr at the company you work at, in Malmö?

I work at a company in Stockholm, but I live in Malmö. The developers I work with, who all live in other parts of the country and are all senior, probably make over 50k a month. I don't know their exact salaries obviously.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by southerntofu »

dijit wrote: post #118
mattmanser wrote: post #67

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We're going through serious strikes at the moment. Right now, the junior doctors are striking. Not sure what you mean by general population, but we had major riots about 10 years ago where some police stations got attacked.

Its interesting to note though that strikes are despised by the british population. My mother for example will bang on for hours about how doctors and nurses have it so great and they're being greedy and unreasonable. Ditto rail drivers. (something I actually agree with in the case of TfL underground drivers). Theres just a really large cultural difference here, though I think there is at least one red thread to our…

Who is "the population"? Here in France there's a major difference between people who watch the news and those who live in the real world. On the news we get fed propaganda by the business owners and fascist apparatus about all the privileged rail workers and nurses and how their striking is pure nonsense.

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Post by saiya-jin »

omnimus wrote: post #105
saiya-jin wrote: post #80

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Solidarity? You must live far from actual France and have some romantic young rosy view on events far away. Almost everybody who isn't protesting is pissed off at folks protesting, since they block you from doing basic things in life like going to work, shopping groceries, driving anywhere or flying, taking train, going to gas station, going to hospital (I kid you not, you can be unlucky and literally die to negligen…

Yeah you shouldnt strike because you could disturb those who like how the system works!! (because it works for them) Solidarity doesnt mean being nice to others. Its awarnes of shared interests and acepting/enduring some pains for others. This includes understanding that you might not be striking today but you might in future.

No, you should be smart. Instead of taking whole country and its population (and everybody else anyhow connected to it) hostage, strike politicians you want to affect where its most inconvenient and 'hurtful' for them, strike the state that you want the change from.

Don't go through making life miserable all the time for 65 millions of folks who didn't cause your woes in any way. I understand its far easier and 'cheaper' to target literally everybody out there, but that's lazy and makes tons of enemies of causes that you should be gathering support for.

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Post by southerntofu »

nxm wrote: post #124
gambiting wrote: post #49

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The British national motto is literally "well, what are you going to do". I have no idea what it would take for the general population to strike.

What would a general population strike be calling for? Be very specific - aren’t elections a form of a general population strike?

Elections are the opposite of a strike. Elections were designed to prevent the people from exerting power, by dividing them along arbitrary lines (party lines) and then concentrating power in the hands of the few.

Strikes are designed to redistribute power in the hands of those at the bottom, if only until certain demands are met.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by southerntofu »

saiya-jin wrote: post #80
romantomjak wrote: post #5

I'm consistently impressed by French solidarity to just go on a strike until they get their government (or a company in this case) to start treating them fairly. I wish that could work in the UK, but alas, we don't do that here.

Solidarity? You must live far from actual France and have some romantic young rosy view on events far away. Almost everybody who isn't protesting is pissed off at folks protesting, since they block you from doing basic things in life like going to work, shopping groceries, driving anywhere or flying, taking train, going to gas station, going to hospital (I kid you not, you can be unlucky and literally die to negligen…

You must watch a lot of french propaganda to have some romantic young rosy view on "hostage taking". Except for those who profit from the system's abuses (such as your colleagues) most people very much support the strikes. It's only the TV stations claiming otherwise, but look at the actual polls for example against the pension reform last year...

Can you name a single person that died due to health care strikes? No, because even when on strike health care workers perform their duties. They simply wear a badge or demonstrate outside of job hours. You're just spitting outright lies. However, we can name the many people (the number keeps rising every year) dying from job "accidents", which is one of the reasons unions and strikes exist.

Solidarity is precisely supporting others in their struggles. And yes, there is a lot of that. If you actually went on a strike's picket line, you would see a lot of different people from different jobs, including unemployed or retired people. Some people bring coffee or food, others materials to build barricades or wood to burn to keep warm in winter... Not everyone is as selfish as your colleagues who only care about missing a train and not why people are actually on strike.

All power to the Ubisoft workers, and to all other workers on strike.

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Post by fredrikholm »

INTPenis wrote: post #143
fredrikholm wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying (in combo with first post) that the average SE is paid >50tkr at the company you work at, in Malmö?

I work at a company in Stockholm, but I live in Malmö. The developers I work with, who all live in other parts of the country and are all senior, probably make over 50k a month. I don't know their exact salaries obviously.

So, senior engineers who work in Sthlm make maybe more than the aforementioned 'low' salary.

To add context, most juniors to mids make <50k in Malmö, which in annual USD would be closer to ~40k.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by omnimus »

saiya-jin wrote: post #145
omnimus wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you shouldnt strike because you could disturb those who like how the system works!! (because it works for them) Solidarity doesnt mean being nice to others. Its awarnes of shared interests and acepting/enduring some pains for others. This includes understanding that you might not be striking today but you might in future.

No, you should be smart. Instead of taking whole country and its population (and everybody else anyhow connected to it) hostage, strike politicians you want to affect where its most inconvenient and 'hurtful' for them, strike the state that you want the change from. Don't go through making life miserable all the time for 65 millions of folks who didn't cause your woes in any way. I understand its far easier and 'chea…

Again solidarity… If the strikers were listened to by the politicians they need to target then there wouldnt be a strike in a first place. People dont strike for fun. They try a lot of things before striking. Including communication with HR, bosses, politicians. All of it is easier than orginising a strike.

Instead you assume they didnt try other ways. They are “not smart”, they take others “as hostage” and their methods are “lazy”.

If they did strike in convinient ways nobody would care/listen. Making people upset exactly the point. You wouldnt be upset about it on US tech forum most likely you wouldnt hear about nor care about some lazy farmers.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by reisse »

fredrikholm wrote: post #50
INTPenis wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand, sorry but I was thinking of all the frequent comparisons made with the bay area on this website. But true enough Scandinavia is at the top of european salaries, at least Stockholm. Not down south where I live in Malmö, because the cost of living is much lower.

Are you saying (in combo with first post) that the average SE is paid >50tkr at the company you work at, in Malmö?

Not the OP, but have a data point: the company I worked for offered ~40k SEK/month in Stockholm for junior devs, ~60k SEK/month for senior devs. That was two years ago, probably numbers are somewhat higher now.

And IMO while the numbers are okayish, the difference between them is ridiculous. Given how promotions in EU are mostly dependent on tenure, +50% for seniority are mere 5-7% yearly increases.

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